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Can Ward beat any of the Cruiserweight title holders?
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Originally posted by Hatesrats View PostNot sure anyone with a V or a K in thier name can beat Ward @175-CruiserLast edited by Citizen Koba; 06-21-2017, 03:19 PM.
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Oleksandr Usyk looks like he hydrates way above 200 pounds. I doubt Ward could even hurt Usyk with punches that he is aware of. Usyk would probably box his head off and then stop him in the late rounds after taking Ward's best punches.
Oleksandr Usyk is no Sergey Kovalev. Oleksandr Usyk is much heavier, with a significantly longer reach, is taller, rangier and even more powerful.
Ward and Kovalev were roughly the same size. This isn't the case with Ward and Usyk where Usyk out sizes him by a significant margin.
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Originally posted by dan_cov View PostHighly doubt he'd beat any of them.
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Originally posted by -Kev- View PostI know this is ironic because this is Ward, a LHW, we're talking about, but I think these CW guys are being a bit overrated. Ward beats them, and not just barely, but I think he wins fairly comfortably from what i've seen of them.
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Originally posted by Tabaristio View PostOleksandr Usyk looks like he hydrates way above 200 pounds. I doubt Ward could even hurt Usyk with punches that he is aware of. Usyk would probably box his head off and then stop him in the late rounds after taking Ward's best punches.
Oleksandr Usyk is no Sergey Kovalev. Oleksandr Usyk is much heavier, with a significantly longer reach, is taller, rangier and even more powerful.
Ward and Kovalev were roughly the same size. This isn't the case with Ward and Usyk where Usyk out sizes him by a significant margin.
We've seen RJJ go 10 with a prime Lebedev, Miranda go a full 12 with Dorticos, Bellew defeating top 10 cruisers and stopping guys never stopped, Vlasov having success etc. Cruiser is not a great division.
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Originally posted by NEETzsche View PostHe's a much better fighter pound-for-pound but the jump from LHW to CW is not a normal weight jump. 7 lbs from SMW to LHW but 25 lbs from LHW to CW. You'd have to assume that every punch landed by a fully fledged cruiser would rattle Ward. That said, he'd probably be really, really fast in comparison to them
While Ward is not Jones in terms of reflexes and elusiveness, these guys look very slow and often times sloppy. Usyk could one day be a lot better (he's already 30, no spring chicken), but right now from what i've seen of him, and as small as Ward would be 25lbs north, I think he takes him in at least an 8-4 fight.
I think Ward vs Bellew, if that fight gets done, will make it more believable, that Ward can beat one of those titleholders.
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Originally posted by Cutthroat View PostHe could barely outbox the African. He's not a harder hitter than Kovalev either, nor does he possess the accuracy.
We've seen RJJ go 10 with a prime Lebedev, Miranda go a full 12 with Dorticos, Bellew defeating top 10 cruisers and stopping guys never stopped, Vlasov having success etc. Cruiser is not a great division.
Furthermore, Mchunu is a proven cruiserweight with many feats in that division. On the other hand, Ward has 0 feats at cruiserweight. So there is absolutely no reason to assume by default that Ward will be as good as a cruiserweight with the added weight as he has been below cruiserweight.
So as it stands, Mchuni is a BETTER CRUISERWEIGHT than Andre Ward. Thus, him giving Usyk slight difficulties is no direct evidence that a naturally skilled sub -cruiserweight would also be able to do the same.
As far as Usyk's comparisons to Kovalev, Usyk is knocking out opponents MUCH heavier than the average knockout victims of Kovalev. So just based on that, Usyk is a more proven OVERALL power puncher than Kovalev. However, one might argue Kovalev is a harder puncher P4P (which is a different case). So Ward getting punched by Usyk would likely inflict greater damage than getting punched by Kovalev.
Also, Usyk is definitely very accurate. He is a superior combination puncher than Kovalev and has superior footwork.
Tony Bellew is a natural cruiserweight who boiled down to compete at light heavyweight. So his success isn't evidence of cruiserweight not being good.
If the cruiserweight division was so weak, why aren't more of the top light heavyweights moving up to cruiserweight and becoming champions there? A boxer should go the heaviest division possible that he is able to win and compete well at. So why did Ward move up to light heavyweight instead of making the direct jump to cruiserweight if he was so good that he could beat top cruiserweights like Usyk? It's most likely because he wouldn't be as competent against cruiserweights due to his lack of size.
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