John David Jackson: "Gennady Golovkins biggest flaw is his defense, he has no defense

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  • TonyGe
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    #41
    Originally posted by Metho_4u
    Canelo puts his punches together better, is a better counter puncher, has MUCH better head movement and defense than anyone golovkin has fought to date. Because of his lack of better movement, I won't call him A level, but I'll say B+ vs Jacobs who is B level. Please tell me why you think I'm wrong, and use common sense and don't just say "Jacobs would beat him" or something of that sort. You realize Jacobs was a bigger underdog than A WW right? What do you think the odds would be if golovkin rematched Danny now? Even? 2-1 maybe?
    Golovkin is bigger stronger. That is a physical attribute but I consider it a factor when talent is mentioned. His stamina is better, he hits harder. You may disagree but I believe he has a better chin. He's been in with bigger punchers and not been wobbled. Golovkin has the better defense not Canelo. As of several years ago G was rated in the top three for defense by Compubox. Golivkin cuts off the ring extremely well which will be a factor if Canelo decides he can't stand and trade with G. He has more experience over all counting his amature career. He has a better and harder jab. He has a knack of forcing his opponents to the ropes where he can hurt them to the body and head. Golovkin has a very hard sneaky uppercut that gets overlooked. He's hurt a few guys with that punch and it comes out of nowhere. His boxing IQ against Canelo is probably better or the same.
    Last edited by TonyGe; 06-15-2017, 05:19 PM.

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    • Metho_4u
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      #42
      Originally posted by TonyGe
      Golovkin is bigger stronger. That is a physical attribute but I consider it a factor when talent is mentioned. His stamina is better, he hits harder. You may disagree but I believe he has a better chin. He's been in with bigger punchers and not been wobbled. Golovkin has the better defense not Canelo. As of several years ago G was rated in the top three for defense by Compubox. Golivkin cuts off the ring extremely well which will be a factor if Canelo decides he can't stand and trade with G. He has more experience over all counting his amature career. He has a better and harder jab. He has a knack of forcing his opponents to the ropes where he can hurt them to the body and head. Golovkin has a very hard sneaky uppercut that gets overlooked. He's hurt a few guys with that punch and it comes out of nowhere. His boxing IQ against Canelo is probably better or the same.
      If he's so effective, why did he almost lose to Jacobs? Danny is a good fighter, but only good. Canelo has only lost to Floyd, who is certainly the best of this generation, so an A+ talent and a B level talent. I've watched golovkin many times, he can be outboxed pretty easily actually. Brook was boxing his ears off and he's not the combination puncher that canelo is. I'm not doubting golovkins chin, but there's a difference between that and people thinking he will walk through 4, 5, 6 punch combinations and just keep coming, because at some point, he'll get sick of getting lit up. I also wouldn't say golovkin is stronger, there's no proof of that. You look at canelos neck and back? The kid is rock solid through there.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Metho_4u
        If he's so effective, why did he almost lose to Jacobs? Danny is a good fighter, but only good. Canelo has only lost to Floyd, who is certainly the best of this generation, so an A+ talent and a B level talent. I've watched golovkin many times, he can be outboxed pretty easily actually. Brook was boxing his ears off and he's not the combination puncher that canelo is. I'm not doubting golovkins chin, but there's a difference between that and people thinking he will walk through 4, 5, 6 punch combinations and just keep coming, because at some point, he'll get sick of getting lit up. I also wouldn't say golovkin is stronger, there's no proof of that. You look at canelos neck and back? The kid is rock solid through there.
        You think Cotto or Chavez Jr would go the distance with Golovkin?

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          #44
          JDJ showing the blind spot many Americans have for the Soviet style boxing schools.

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          • Sp0rty Cr@ig
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            #45
            Why can't GGG fans admit to anything negative about GGG?

            He "let Brook hit him", "showed master class defence VS Lemieux". Truth is he got caught too much against Brook & Lemieux is not a goos boxer at all. Relies on power

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              #46
              Originally posted by Mammoth
              You think Cotto or Chavez Jr would go the distance with Golovkin?
              Oh, we're going back to "he didn't stop Chavez Jr" now? Why didn't the mighty golovkin stop Jacobs? Pirog did, and was out working him up until the KO, I didn't see golovkin do that.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Sp0rty Cr@ig
                Why can't GGG fans admit to anything negative about GGG?

                He "let Brook hit him", "showed master class defence VS Lemieux". Truth is he got caught too much against Brook & Lemieux is not a goos boxer at all. Relies on power
                Because he is their pee-wee Herman doll child ******er lookalike hero. I wonder if he'll have all that blush on before the canelo fight starts.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Metho_4u
                  Oh, we're going back to "he didn't stop Chavez Jr" now? Why didn't the mighty golovkin stop Jacobs? Pirog did, and was out working him up until the KO, I didn't see golovkin do that.
                  It was a real question. You didn't answer it. I just don't think those fights would have gone 12 rounds.

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                    #49
                    I don't agree. He rolls with punches and catches a lot of shots on his arms and gloves. He's actually not bad for an offensive minded fighter.

                    His opponents get credit for a lot of shots he catches or rolls with

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                    • Metho_4u
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Mammoth
                      It was a real question. You didn't answer it. I just don't think those fights would have gone 12 rounds.
                      They may not have, but do you think if Chavez fought less cautiously he would have made the final bell?

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