Is there a way to remove promoters from the sport?

[OnePunch]

No doubt on that. The promotional end is hardly the only problem with boxing.

And call me crazy, but isn't this some basic sh^t to fix? You create an elite boxing league & open a bank account for all the checks you're gonna be cashing.

Granted the concept is the easy part, the practice of getting to that point is the problem. But in theory couldn't it be as simple as say the top 5 or 6 promoters coming together in key regions & having free range to make all the best fights among all their fighters & splitting up the profits?

I mean basically that what a promotion does now its just a smaller universe of fighters, with less power & more dictatorship running the entity.

Surely if PBC promoters, GBP, TR & Main Events & maybe one or two other promoters I'm forgetting come together to create a new entity you got the US market on lock & can make virtually any fight with outside parties due to the strength of these high caliber shows that would be an event every time out.

In an ideal world that sounds great, but I just dont think that would ever happen. Too many twisted financials, and too many caustic personalities for it to ever be possible.

Its a nice thought though..... :-)

[New England]

But why? In any other sport, the best play the best. Even in physical sports like NFL.

We can make the tournaments over 1-2 Years. But at the end, the best Fight the best at every single weight class from 105, all the way up to HW.

because you can f#cking die in a boxing ring. want me to embed a video where a fighter was beaten to death? it's happened on virtually every major TV network that covers boxing. if you watch boxing for long enough you'll watch a man die. if you talk to old fighters you'll get a better understanding of what this sport does to its athletes. some can't see, talk right, and they're broke and have no skills or ways to earn money!


you clearly don't understand this sport if you think it's reasonable to mandate that fighters fight their best opposition, one after the other, several times a year. nobody would box if that were the case. just another clueless fan who dosn't understand that not only the promotrs, but the boxers themselves wouldn't participate in a sport that mandated that they fight without maximizing the earning potential associated with the deterioration that comes with a boxing career as a pro. a man can only take so much, and you should not expect him to box if he's not allowed to try and make as much money as he can for the relatively small amount of years that he can dedicate his life and health to boxing.

[New England]

the naivety in this thread is f#cking astounding.

[OnePunch]

because you can f#cking die in a boxing ring. want me to embed a video where a fighter was beaten to death? it's happened on virtually every major TV network that covers boxing. if you watch boxing for long enough you'll watch a man die. if you talk to old fighters you'll get a better understanding of what this sport does to its athletes. some can't see, talk right, and they're broke and have no skills or ways to earn money!

you can die driving a taxi, or working on an oil rig too. Truth is that "professional boxer" probably wouldnt rank in the top 100 of a "Most Dangerous Occupations" list.

But as for the earning part, you are correct. But not because of dying or deterioration, but because of lack of fan interest/support after a few losses, which leads to reduced purses.

[Sweet Jones]

You have a valid opinion. I just tend to think of Haymon more as means of assisted suicide rather than a possible cure lol

Ok, I legit LOL'ed at this. (-:

[Eff Pandas]

Fair enough, but I think this is where many would disagree with you.

IMO, Boxing has untreated Stage III cancer (the promoter/network controlled business model), and Haymon is offering chemo. It(PBC) may not work, it may kill 'innocent' cells (smaller promoters) and it may even accelerate the demise. But if that cancer is left untreated, DEATH (become an increasingly untelevised and unprofitable niche sport) is inevitable. And so far, the 'patient' (boxing) has shown ZERO desire nor ability to do anything about its condition without radical, outside influence.

Great analogy. Don't think I disagree with anything you are saying here.

[New England]

you can die driving a taxi, or working on an oil rig too. Truth is that "professional boxer" probably wouldnt rank in the top 100 of a "Most Dangerous Occupations" list.

But as for the earning part, you are correct. But not because of dying or deterioration, but because of lack of fan interest/support after a few losses, which leads to reduced purses.

surely you are not this ******. do trips in a taxi inherently involve getting punched in the face for 100+ rounds of sparring and up to 12 rounds against a professional with an 8 or 10 oz glove trying trying to take your head off?


does driving a taxi for 10 years do this to a man?



do you understand that taylor was once one of the fastest fighters ever, and had the mental speed required to operate on that level?


you'd have to genuinely be an idiot to try and tell me that working on an oil rig is as dangerous as boxing a 12 round fight against a world champopn.

go work on an oil rig for 45 minutes. then box a world champion for 45 minutes. tell me which caused you more damage, and which was more dangerous.


holy f#ck are you guys dumb.

and this is why promotors exist. because most people are too ****** to understand what boxing is. it's a collection of private companies representing independent contractors in the planet's most dangerous and violent sport. they're looking to maximize profits on the promotional end, and on the end of the fighters and their management they're ideally looking to maximize profits while maintaining a fighter's mental faculties.


if you fight the best fighters one after the other for years you will end up like meldrick taylor. damn near unable to talk.

[New England]

does driving a taxi do this?

[Eff Pandas]

In an ideal world that sounds great, but I just dont think that would ever happen. Too many twisted financials, and too many caustic personalities for it to ever be possible.

Its a nice thought though..... :-)

Well yea with the current f#ckheads I don't disagree at all. Damn near everyone in boxing on the US side would cut off their nose to spite their face obviously. I did say ideally & today is anything but ideal.

But I do believe this will be the ultimate conclusion of all this chaos in boxing today sooner or later. Bob will probably be dead. Haymon may be broke. Oscar may have retired after some new weird scandal. But it makes all the sense in the world to quit having boxing operate on this dated traveling circus money grab formula when every other sport in the world has figured out what works the best & is the most profitable means of controlling & profiting from a sport.

Eventually the money will dry up enough & or someone will come onto the scene with enough money that guys will have to work together or that ******* billionaire Mark Cuban type mfer will do it for them cuz there is money to be made in boxing & I'd argue more than is currently being made if someone pulled some of these f#ckheads hands out of the cookie jar & did right by the sport of boxing.

The current system has lasted long enough & failed. So either you have to believe boxing just sucks or people are too invested in a failed system to change that failed system. I believe the latter is true. All I'm rooting for at this point is I'm not sh^tting in diapers by the time it happens or they figure out that life extension science bs.

[original zero]

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE are watching boxing now thanks to PBC that weren't watching boxing before.

showtime is increasing their boxing budget now thanks to PBC.

boxing is going to be fine in the US. the sooner HBO boxing dies, the better.