Is there a way to remove promoters from the sport?

[New England]

no less dangerous than driving a cab, guys

[sunny31]

because you can f#cking die in a boxing ring. want me to embed a video where a fighter was beaten to death? it's happened on virtually every major TV network that covers boxing. if you watch boxing for long enough you'll watch a man die. if you talk to old fighters you'll get a better understanding of what this sport does to its athletes. some can't see, talk right, and they're broke and have no skills or ways to earn money!


you clearly don't understand this sport if you think it's reasonable to mandate that fighters fight their best opposition, one after the other, several times a year. nobody would box if that were the case. just another clueless fan who dosn't understand that not only the promotrs, but the boxers themselves wouldn't participate in a sport that mandated that they fight without maximizing the earning potential associated with the deterioration that comes with a boxing career as a pro. a man can only take so much, and you should not expect him to box if he's not allowed to try and make as much money as he can for the relatively small amount of years that he can dedicate his life and health to boxing.

We haven't always agreed on everything - but I totally agree with you on this. Boxing fans are in general the worst sports fans to me. This forum is probably the worst cesspit of them all. Why do I say that? Because these are hardcore boxing fans who are supposed to have at least some understanding of the way the business side of the sport works.

A fighter and his teams number one goal is to secure said fighter financially first and foremost, whilst simultaneously trying to plot out the fighters path and earning potential. Yet so many fans don't understand this very obvious point and then they are mystified why certain decisions happen, and as a result pointless threads get made.

Once this is achieved - more often than not you see fighters take more risks and try and secure their legacy, but each fighters path is different.

Not all promoters/teams get the above right - at times its a fine balancing act, and occasionally the decision making is wrong, either the fighter is pushed too slow and fans and media justifiably turn on them, or a risk is taken too soon and everything blows up in their face. Its a slippery slope, I don't think fans appreciate this enough. Its not easy - these guys are not on salary packages - its prize fighting and you can't compare it to any other sport, the risk vs reward is much steeper and you are totally right about health, wear and tear, etc.

[!! Shawn]

I think promoters are necessary for up and coming fighters in order to get them exposure and move them along. Once they reach a certain level they pretty much sell themselves and should be able to broker deals and put together big fights without promoters getting a big slice.

People always look at promoters as scummy leaches because they see the big fighters and the promoters taking the big cut of their money.

What they never see is the promoters developing talent over many fights, funding their training camps, paying their opponents, etc.

Promoters atleast good ones lay out a significant amount of investment in developing each fighter, and for every 1 that makes it big, they might have spent money developing 50 other fighters who didn't make it.

There is a reason why there are so many lawsuits involved with promoters, like Canelo's original promoter.

When you invest the money into developing a fighter, and the up and decide to leave, they are basically walking off with the promoters investment.

If you take away promoters, there wont be anyone to develop fighters, to put on the local shows that they gain experience at, to gain them exposure and a local or national following.

Even though promoters can be shady, they still are an essential part of boxing.

[!! Shawn]

if you take away a promoters chance to profit, you also take away his incentive to fund the development of 98% of the fighters out there. Sure, Olympians and blue-chip prospects will be ok, but most fighters need the financial help of a promoter to fund their first 20 fights or so......

FYI, it takes approx $150-200k to move a fighter from a pro debut to say 20-0, and less than 1/2 of 1% of all pro fighters will ever be on HBO or Showtime. The math isnt in favor of the promoter, thats for sure.... (which is why you can count on one hand the number of big-time promoters in the world)

This basically.

[OnePunch]

surely you are not this ******. do trips in a taxi inherently involve getting punched in the face for 100+ rounds of sparring and up to 12 rounds against a professional with an 8 or 10 oz glove trying trying to take your head off?


does driving a taxi for 10 years do this to a man?



do you understand that taylor was once one of the fastest fighters ever, and had the mental speed required to operate on that level?


you'd have to genuinely be an idiot to try and tell me that working on an oil rig is as dangerous as boxing a 12 round fight against a world champopn.

go work on an oil rig for 45 minutes. then box a world champion for 45 minutes. tell me which caused you more damage, and which was more dangerous.


holy f#ck are you guys dumb.

and this is why promotors exist. because most people are too ****** to understand what boxing is. it's a collection of private companies representing independent contractors in the planet's most dangerous and violent sport. they're looking to maximize profits on the promotional end, and on the end of the fighters and their management they're ideally looking to maximize profits while maintaining a fighter's mental faculties.


if you fight the best fighters one after the other for years you will end up like meldrick taylor. damn near unable to talk.

you are getting all emotional and trying to use anecdotal instances to create a fact pattern basis that doesnt exist.

Yes, boxing can be dangerous. I dont pretend that is isnt. And my heart breaks everytime there is a Mago, or Pritchart, etc. But alot of jobs are dangerous, so no need to get carried away......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e939af1a5a4d

[HAMMER77777]

because you can f#cking die in a boxing ring. want me to embed a video where a fighter was beaten to death? it's happened on virtually every major TV network that covers boxing. if you watch boxing for long enough you'll watch a man die. if you talk to old fighters you'll get a better understanding of what this sport does to its athletes. some can't see, talk right, and they're broke and have no skills or ways to earn money!


you clearly don't understand this sport if you think it's reasonable to mandate that fighters fight their best opposition, one after the other, several times a year. nobody would box if that were the case. just another clueless fan who dosn't understand that not only the promotrs, but the boxers themselves wouldn't participate in a sport that mandated that they fight without maximizing the earning potential associated with the deterioration that comes with a boxing career as a pro. a man can only take so much, and you should not expect him to box if he's not allowed to try and make as much money as he can for the relatively small amount of years that he can dedicate his life and health to boxing.

In the past, the best Boxed the best. Yes, people can Die in Boxing. Same with MMA, UFC, etc.. But the best DO Fight the best. How would u like the NFL if the best teams didnt play the best in the playoffs? I'm clueless, but I can spell "doesn't" and "promoters", which apparently you can't (above).
We dont Talk about football players (another contact sport) trying to Maximize their Profits. The best play the best, and oh by the way, they make A Lot of Money on the way. Would u like MLB teams to only play against AAA minor league teams? Should the best NBA teams not play in the NBA finals? It makes no sense. The fans want the best Fighting the best. We Pay the bills.

[OnePunch]

In the past, the best Boxed the best. Yes, people can Die in Boxing. Same with MMA, UFC, etc.. But the best DO Fight the best. How would u like the NFL if the best teams didnt play the best in the playoffs? I'm clueless, but I can spell "doesn't" and "promoters", which apparently you can't (above).
We dont Talk about football players (another contact sport) trying to Maximize their Profits. The best play the best, and oh by the way, they make A Lot of Money on the way. Would u like MLB teams to only play against AAA minor league teams? Should the best NBA teams not play in the NBA finals? It makes no sense. The fans want the best Fighting the best. We Pay the bills.

He doesnt want to address the underlying issue. If the "best" arent supposed to fight the "best", then who are they supposed to fight? The mediocre? Wow, thats real safe. And Rod Salka agrees.

[HAMMER77777]

We haven't always agreed on everything - but I totally agree with you on this. Boxing fans are in general the worst sports fans to me. This forum is probably the worst cesspit of them all. Why do I say that? Because these are hardcore boxing fans who are supposed to have at least some understanding of the way the business side of the sport works.

A fighter and his teams number one goal is to secure said fighter financially first and foremost, whilst simultaneously trying to plot out the fighters path and earning potential. Yet so many fans don't understand this very obvious point and then they are mystified why certain decisions happen, and as a result pointless threads get made.

Once this is achieved - more often than not you see fighters take more risks and try and secure their legacy, but each fighters path is different.

Not all promoters/teams get the above right - at times its a fine balancing act, and occasionally the decision making is wrong, either the fighter is pushed too slow and fans and media justifiably turn on them, or a risk is taken too soon and everything blows up in their face. Its a slippery slope, I don't think fans appreciate this enough. Its not easy - these guys are not on salary packages - its prize fighting and you can't compare it to any other sport, the risk vs reward is much steeper and you are totally right about health, wear and tear, etc.

Then there should be 1 league. Every NFL players' goal is to make As Much Loot as they can. However, the NFL, itself wants competitive matchups where the best play the best. I want to see the best Fight the best. If the Fighters make A Couple of Bucks along the way, all the better, but nobody remembers Ali, Tyson for How Much they Got paid. We remember their FIGHTS.

[HAMMER77777]

He doesnt want to address the underlying issue. If the "best" arent supposed to fight the "best", then who are they supposed to fight? The mediocre? Wow, thats real safe. And Rod Salka agrees.

My point exactly! What if NFL teams only mostly beat up on college teams 44-0, and only occasionally played other NFL teams. Would anybody Watch? NO!

[HAMMER77777]

you are getting all emotional and trying to use anecdotal instances to create a fact pattern basis that doesnt exist.

Yes, boxing can be dangerous. I dont pretend that is isnt. And my heart breaks everytime there is a Mago, or Pritchart, etc. But alot of jobs are dangerous, so no need to get carried away......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e939af1a5a4d

Exactly! There are tons of dangerous jobs. Boxing is of course dangerous. But there are people here in ND, working 12 Hours per Day on an oil rig, which can be very dangerous too. Potentially even more so than Boxing for 36 Minutes, twice A Year.