Let's get something straight about a fighter's physical prime

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I can't take anyone seriously when they treat every fight analysis or observation about the state of a fighter's career as an "excuse". Just makes me think we have a lot of teenagers on here.

Every factor anyone points out about any upcoming fight: EXCUSE! KEEP YOUR EXCUSES TO YOURSELF PUZZY!

What? It's a boxing forum. If you don't want to discuss the factors that may decide an upcoming boxing match then log out. You aren't needed.

Neither Brook nor Jacobs were difficult fights by the numbers. Golovkin outboxed both and hurt both. He just looked flat and tired compared to the guy who blew up a few years ago. 35 is 45 for a ring bully, a pressure fighter.

Fliipside Canelo has improved a lot. No longer a clumsy 20 year old and I think he will be a better fighter without the life-threatening weight cuts.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

Maybe not physical prime but his skills may have improved from 30 to 35 making him an overall better fighter.

Easier to look good against Lemieux & Rubio than it is to look good against Jacobs or Brook

[Real King Kong]

I haven't seen age become an issue for him yet. Yes, every fighter ages but there are ways for them to adapt and their experience and advancement in technique makes up for it.

But, I'll respect that you feel he's aged. Fair enough. The thing is that people are using that to discredit Canelo. They both have disadvantages. GG is getting on in age, Canelo is fighting a guy who is a weight class above anyone he's fought before (save for Chavez). So, we can come up with reasons why either might be disadvantaged but I think it's still good timing for this fight and I see it as 50/50.

My opinion is based on watching his fights from 2012-2014 compared with his last 3. Opposition obviously matters, but there are things that can be judged independently of that. I think it's a good competitive fight and I'm a fan of both fighters so I'm glad it's happening. As far as the whole canelo is waiting for him to get old bs, it hasn't even been that long...but i do believe if ggg walked through jacobs, we might be seeing canelo vs lemieux in September instead.

[stuff jones]

Man, GG fans are freaking the fk out. Everyone was saying that GG would crush Nelo. Then Golovkin fights Jacobs and suddenly, "Remember, he's OLD!"
Show some support for your guy. This is really a 50/50 fight. No need for excuses from either side. One is 35, the other is fighting a bigger guy for only the 2nd time.

Nope. Stating facts does not equal freaking out.

Name the 35 year olds who were at their best?

[Jedi Vader]

The same people who said Canelo was too scared and would never fight GGG, are the same ones who are now saying that their man is getting too old.

[Mukuro]

I don't disagree...but anyone who knows the sport can't say that ggg looks as sharp as he did 4-5 years ago. There's been a noticeable decline, particularly in his last 3 fights imo. That's not to say he can't still be a good fighter, but unfortunately his best days may be behind him...and it's a shame his peak was wasted on lackluster opposition.

He did not look as untouchable in his last two fights as he did in his previous 10. Obviously the quality and style of his last two opponents plays a part in his performances as well. I wouldn't say his best is behind him at all, but I'm sure some facets of his game may be slowing down. I think his best may still be ahead of him in terms of what he can accomplish as a fighter, even if he is not at his absolute physical peak.

Maybe not physical prime but his skills may have improved from 30 to 35 making him an overall better fighter.

Easier to look good against Lemieux & Rubio than it is to look good against Jacobs or Brook

I agree with this completely. I am more impressed with how he looks now than I was when he was fighting Ouma 6 years ago. He is more measured, precise, and efficient.

[Real King Kong]

He did not look as untouchable in his last two fights as he did in his previous 10. Obviously the quality and style of his last two opponents plays a part in his performances as well. I wouldn't say his best is behind him at all, but I'm sure some facets of his game may be slowing down. I think his best may still be ahead of him in terms of what he can accomplish as a fighter, even if he is not at his absolute physical peak.



I agree with this completely. I am more impressed with how he looks now than I was when he was fighting Ouma 6 years ago. He is more measured, precise, and efficient.

Opposition definitely plays a part, but i noticed things even in his demolition of wade. He seems to be a bit slower with his feet and his hands...he doesn't get to spots quite as quick as he used to. I've said before...there's a fine line between cutting your opponent off and following him around the ring. If he has to take bigger steps to get into punching position, he's gonna be walking into some shots. I also notice a difference in how he reacts to his opponent...maybe I'm seeing things, but he just isn't quite as sharp all around. I guess that's to be expected from a 35 yr old tho.

[vaynardevil]

the most noticeable decline is his speed
he's still big puncher and durable but slowww

[Redd Foxx]

Nope. Stating facts does not equal freaking out.

Name the 35 year olds who were at their best?

Plenty of fighters have had their best fights in their 30's, don't be ignorant to what experience and development of skill can provide. I'm not saying 35 is beneficial or irrelevant but when the guy has shown no degradation in skill, the age thing reeks of excuse. Did he look old against Wade only a year ago? No. But, suddenly he happens to be slipping when he fights guys with actual skill? Come on.


Fact is, it's now a 50/50 fight and some Golovkin fans are really uncomfortable with that.

[Mukuro]

Opposition definitely plays a part, but i noticed things even in his demolition of wade. He seems to be a bit slower with his feet and his hands...he doesn't get to spots quite as quick as he used to. I've said before...there's a fine line between cutting your opponent off and following him around the ring. If he has to take bigger steps to get into punching position, he's gonna be walking into some shots. I also notice a difference in how he reacts to his opponent...maybe I'm seeing things, but he just isn't quite as sharp all around. I guess that's to be expected from a 35 yr old tho.

Well like I said, some things fade faster than others. I don't see what you saw against Wade, but I have some questions after the last two performances. I tend to just give credit to the guys he fought, but being reasonable, I have to consider his age in the back of my mind. I still pick him over Canelo, though.