Prime Iron Mike versus Joshua or Wilder today

[robertzimmerman]

loving eyes.....

You're not even capable of having a debate.

You're either a troll or a casual.

I've wasted far too much time on you already.

If you really think that Wilder could have timed Mike with ease, then you are absolutely clueless.

It's pointless taking this any further.

Educate yourself.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Joshua already has better win that Tyson ever had.

[oscar9992]

Tyson only won against bums and old ass boxers... He obviously could KO Wilder and Joshua, but it go other way too...

[robertzimmerman]

Joshua already has better win that Tyson ever had.

How do you work that out, genius?

[robertzimmerman]

Tyson only won against bums and old ass boxers... He obviously could KO Wilder and Joshua, but it go other way too...

No he didn't.

Stop talking nonsense.

[oscar9992]

No he didn't.

Stop talking nonsense.

Larry Holmes was only HOF boxer he beat, and he was 40 y.o.

[robertzimmerman]

Larry Holmes was only HOF boxer he beat, and he was 40 y.o.

You said he only beat bums and old fighters.

You were wrong.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Mike still had power when he was older, but he didn't have the leverage, speed and the timing to execute his shots like he'd done previously.

The weight of Williams and McBride are irrelevant.

Mike still had power when he was older, but he didn't have the leverage, speed and the timing to execute his shots like he'd done previously.

This 'excuse' or justification would've been acceptable had Mike Tyson fought a skilled boxer with good defensive and elusive movement where Mike Tyson (despite having power) simply struggled to land his power punches due to his opponent being defensively skilled enough to avoid it.

Had Mike Tyson fought someone like a James Toney or Chris Byrd and struggled to KO them BECAUSE HE WAS UNABLE TO LAND HIS POWER PUNCHES due to them being skilled, then I could accept Mike Tyson may have had the KO power but simply lacked the offensive skills later on in his career such as speed, timing, leverage, accuracy and etc. to land his knockout punch rather than not having KO power at all.

Now considering Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride were both bums and journeymen respectively, I can't accept the argument that Mike Tyson failed to KO them because he didn't have those offensive skills. Danny Williams, nor Kevin Mcrbide were elusive targets providing Mike Tyson with a difficult time of landing his KO punches. They were literally open, static targets where Mike Tyson was able to land, not just one, but multiple of his absolute hardest looking punches but they all seemed to bounce off both of them. That is evidence of Mike Tyson lacking KO power against opponents of such heavier weight, not evidence of Mike Tyson lacking offensive skills.

Mike Tyson didn't need his peak offensive skills to land his knockout punches on Danny Williams or Kevin Mcbride. Even an old Mike Tyson had enough offensive skills to land multiple power punches on such bums / journeymen. The reason why he couldn't knock them out was because his punching power was less effective against heavier opponents. In Mike Tyson's case, weight of opponents mattered more than quality of opposition!

If a boxer struggled to land his KO punches on his opponents altogether (David Tua struggling to land his KO punches against Chris Byrd), then you could argue that such a boxer may have KO power but simply lacked the offensive skills to land the KO punch.

However, if a boxer is able to land his power punches at will on his opponents (Mike Tyson against Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride), but is still unable to knock them out, then it has to be inferred that such a boxer may have simply lacked knockout power altogether against such opposition.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Mike was SHOT when he fought Williams and McBride.

It's not even an exaggeration to say that the versions of Mike who fought Spinks and Holmes, could literally have beaten both of them in 3 rounds on the same night.

Your statistics don't allow for circumstances.

Mike was SHOT when he fought Williams and McBride.

Doesn't matter. Those opponents were bums / journeymen. Meaning, a supposed hall of famer / ATG like Mike Tyson, even whilst he's shot should still not struggle to land his punches against bums / journeymen like Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride (which he didn't of course). It's only a factor if a shot Mike Tyson was fighting a skilled opponent and failed.

It's not even an exaggeration to say that the versions of Mike who fought Spinks and Holmes, could literally have beaten both of them in 3 rounds on the same night.

Except, Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride were very little like either Spinks or Holmes.

If anything, Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride are more like Mitch Green and Bonecrusher Smith (two opponents Mike Tyson failed to KO) than Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks. Of course, both Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride are much heavier than either Bonecrusher Smith or Mitch Green, thus being even more difficult to KO.

Your statistics don't allow for circumstances.

Statistics are facts. Meaning, they represent exactly what occurred. Even more so, if an event occurs consistently (Mike Tyson having poorer performances against taller, heavier or both) opposition, then that's exactly the norm.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Your so called stats are nonsense.

James "Bonecrusher" Smith came to survive.

Frank Bruno was the same size and weight, and was taken out in 8 rounds, across 2 fights.

Your stats also don't allow for the fact that he fought his biggest opposition in the latter stages of his career, where he clearly was only a shell of the fighter he'd once been.

Frank Bruno was only the exception and not the norm.

Mike Tyson's knockout percentage was lower against opponents weighing 230 pounds than it was against opponents weighing less than that.

Even a prime Mike Tyson frequently failed to KO non-bummy tall opponents that were above 6 foot 3.