Prime Iron Mike versus Joshua or Wilder today

[robertzimmerman]

''mike tyson is an ATG because he was able to destroy unskilled guys who had height and reach advantages !''

What the hell are you talking about?

Some of the guys he destroyed were better fighters than Wilder, and they would without a doubt be top 10 fighters today.

If you think Mike beat unskilled fighters, what does that make Wilder the windmill?

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[JakeTheBoxer]

Prime Tyson was stopped by Douglas, lol. Stop hyping this B class fighter.

[Elroy The Great]

Tucker was neither shot or merely an okay HW. What on earth are you talking about?

Michael Spinks also wasn't a shot or average HW.

Berbick obviously wasn't a great HW, but how was he a joke? He was a decent HW. He beat Thomas and Page amongst others.

How can you say that they'd both have killed each other's opponents?

What evidence is there to put forward a theory that Wilder would have killed those guys? There isn't any. None whatsoever.

tt wasnt all that either. tyson caight him on the other side of his career. hee padded his stats with a bunch of BUMS and lost to credible opponents.

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it was spinks last fight. he took the money and retired.

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page and pinklon.....if you could wrap up their careers in a single word, what would it be ?!?!?!

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the guys mike beat, wilder would have beaten. imho at least. and mike, likewise, would have beaten up wilders saps.

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thats why these are called hypothetical matches.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Tyson is the most overrated boxer ever. His best win is old Holmes.

[Elroy The Great]

What the hell are you talking about?

Some of the guys he destroyed were better fighters than Wilder, and they would without a doubt be top 10 fighters today.

If you think Mike beat unskilled fighters, what does that make Wilder the windmill?

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did you not notice the '' 's marks ? people are giving mike more credit than he deserves because he was usually the shorter guy in the ring. bfd.

listen, if youre a tyson fan, you probably wont give an honest assessment of him. most die hard fans are incapable of being honest.

[Elroy The Great]

You need to find another thread.

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[Sheldon312]

Prime Tyson was stopped by Douglas, lol. Stop hyping this B class fighter.

Douglas would be top 2 he in today's era

[robertzimmerman]

Mike Tyson was the greatest heavyweight for someone his size. However, he might not be in an ABSOLUTE sense. Again, I challenge you to find any boxer who was overall the same size as Mike Tyson with anywhere near the accomplishments at modern heavyweight (boxers weighing above 200 pounds). Otherwise, FACTUALLY Mike Tyson is the greatest heavyweight of all time for anyone his size overall.




Just because nobody talked about Mike Tyson's size limitations / disadvantages doesn't mean they weren't there. The same way just because nobody believed the Earth was round 5000 years ago doesn't mean it wasn't. The same way just because nobody talked about computers 5000 years ago doesn't mean it wouldn't one day exist.

None of those BIG boxers you've listed were skillful BIG heavyweights. They were extremely low skilled. Skillful big heavyweights are boxers like Klitschkos, Lennox Lewis and Luis Ortiz who know how to use their size advantages really well.

Furthermore, size advantages includes the combination of height, reach and weight with weight being the most important factor. Thus, your list actually proves my point, that even against lesser skilled opponents, Mike Tyson's KO% suffered if they were simply that much heavier despite having less skills. For example, Razor Ruddock outweighed Mike Tyson by only 11 pounds in their first fight and Mike Tyson couldn't truly KO him but had to settle for a standing stoppage. In their second bout, Mike Tyson was outweighed by over 20 pounds by Ruddock and he Tyson couldn't even score a standing stoppage against Ruddock, never mind a clean knockout when he was outweighed by an even bigger margin. The same applies to Bonecrusher Smith who was extremely low skilled but Mike Tyson still failed to KO him and had to settle for a decision. Why? Because again, he was simply too heavy for Mike Tyson to be affected by his punches coming from his tiny hands and fists.

Mike Tyson's KO% became worse and worse against opponents weighing above 230 pounds, irrespective of whether their skill level.

Those taller boxers you've listed with long reach were simply too light to complement their height and reach advantages. Having height and reach advantages whilst being outweighed doesn't help as much. Jose Ribalta may have been 6 foot 6, but he was only 211 pounds (2 pounds less than Mike Tyson). Yet, despite Ribalta being at best a journeyman and despite Mike Tyson having the weight advantage, it still took Tyson 10 rounds to KO Ribalta (more than any other boxer that knocked Ribalta out). Why? Because of the significance of having height advantage (which is still lesser than having a weight advantage).

Your so called stats are nonsense.

James "Bonecrusher" Smith came to survive.

Frank Bruno was the same size and weight, and was taken out in 8 rounds, across 2 fights.

Your stats also don't allow for the fact that he fought his biggest opposition in the latter stages of his career, where he clearly was only a shell of the fighter he'd once been.

[mlac]

Iron Mike Knocks them both out inside a couple of rounds imo.

[robertzimmerman]

1) thats what ive been saying. mike tyson was a beast vs big guys with little to no skill.

why in the fnck would/should there be an award/accolade for such a fighter

2) are you trying to tell me tua wouldnt have KILLED berbick, smith, thomas and tucker ?!?!?!?!?!? holy fncking shlt !!!!!!!!!!!! how far do you see mike lasting with tuas resume ?

3) mikes accomplishments are laughable. morrison would have beaten the guys mike did. fncking joe hipp would have beaten a couple of those guys. bragging about ANYONE beating those crackhead champs is hysterical !!!!!!!

4) you may not be claiming mike to be an ATG but youre going out of your way to give him credit for being a bum beater extraordinaire.

What are you talking about little to no skill?

How are Mike's accomplishments laughable?

Why is it a given that Tua would have taken out Tucker?


If you're not trolling, you are so out of your depth here.

Just stop.