Prime Iron Mike versus Joshua or Wilder today

[robertzimmerman]

1) yeah, mike was one of a kind. just not a great one of a kind.

2) you created an award for mike; ''the best lil hw ever (if you ignore the FACT he NEVER beat a LEGITIMATE hw)''

3) cause tua isnt known for KILLING BUMS !!!!!! only mike is skilled enough to do that !!!!! you go by what actually happened and turn around to make excuses for why things HAPPENED the way they did......tua has an easier time with mikes resume than vice versa.

4) are you really trying to compare their resumes ?!?!?!? from ruiz on, check it out.

5) what im saying is mike didnt beat anyone a number of mediocre guys couldnt have beaten, when he fought them. morrison, hipp, tua, holy, bowe, ruiz, ike....all would have been the youngest hw champ had they been FORTUNATE enough to have the chance mike did.

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He never beat a legitimate HW?

Put us out of our misery and tell us whether or not you're trolling.

I can't be reading anymore of these posts.

They are making me cringe.

[robertzimmerman]

Firstly, you might be confusing me for the other user 'Elroy The Great'. It is he who accuses Mike Tyson of being overrated and a bum beater, not me. I don't think Mike Tyson is overrated at all (from an objective standpoint) and I also don't like or support Lennox Lewis much. In fact, I'm an even bigger fan of Mike Tyson than Lennox Lewis. Mike Tyson is one of the boxers I respect most for accomplishing what he has with such size discrepancy. I can't emphasize how impressive it is from a P4P and inch for inch perspective. However, I am also a realist too and I acknowledge that Mike Tyson had limitations and where it lie, which was against skillful super sized heavyweights (which is whatLennox Lewis was).

Those other super sized heavyweight boxers Mike Tyson beat were never as skilled as Lennox Lewis or Klitschkos. They were low skilled superheavyweights which Mike Tyson could overcome his lack of size by using his superior skills against, which is something he can't do against Lennox Lewis as Lewis himself was also very skilled. If you're a smaller boxer facing a bigger boxer who was much less skilled than you, you can overcome your size disadvantages by using superior skills. However, if they were the same size but were just as skilled as you were close to your skill level, then you don't stand much of a chance because you can't overcome your size disadvantages using your superior skills because you don't have superior skills to use compared to such an opponent.

I wonder why you claim Ruddock was lucky to last the distance? I didn't see Ruddock ever coming close to getting knocked out by Mike Tyson as he was by Lennox Lewis.

Frank Bruno was an exception. He simply was a boxer who didn't react well to an aggressive assault. If we ignore Frank Bruno, then MOST other heavyweights above 230 pounds (irrespective of skill level) were very difficult for Mike Tyson to KO.

Mike Tyson could certainly punch hard relative to his size. In fact, he and David Tua were the most powerful punches for their height and overall size. However, it's been statistically proven that Mike Tyson's KO percentage decreased more and more as opponents became heavier and taller. Especially if combined with skills as well. Mike Tyson's hardest punches against light bummy opponents (opponents below 220 pounds) like Marvis Frazier was knocking those opponents out cold. The same punches against bummy but heavier opponents (opponents above 230 pounds) like Danny Williams were doing very little damage. Mike Tyson failed to KO Danny Williams with so many flush landed punches but concussed Marvis Frazier in only 30 seconds with his first combo. Size was a big factor to this. I'm not even including skillful big / heavy opponents. Average to below average heavy / big boxers were causing Mike Tyson that much trouble. It becomes even worse if I also include skillful opponents of those sizes.

Mike was SHOT when he fought Williams and McBride.

It's not even an exaggeration to say that the versions of Mike who fought Spinks and Holmes, could literally have beaten both of them in 3 rounds on the same night.

Your statistics don't allow for circumstances.

[robertzimmerman]

Joshua schools holmes easy work especially at 40. Bruno and Spinks get their manhood taken away.

Too early to say for me.

[robertzimmerman]

But but but he was past his prime when he fought buster douglas.......lol

It was nothing to do with his physical prime, it was his mindset.

He'd lost his focus due to his erratic lifestyle.

James Douglas was a very good HW on his day. He underachieved. But I really wouldn't have favoured him to have beaten Mike a few years earlier.

[robertzimmerman]

I can see that you are a passionate Mike Tyson fan and supporter. Believe me, I am one of Mike Tyson's biggest fans too and if her ever fought boxers like Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos, I will be supporting Mike Tyson all day long even whilst worrying for his health when taking on such behemoths. I'm just trying to be as realistic and objective as I can.

I genuinely do believe and wish that you were right. That Mike Tyson could just walk through and destroy all those boxers that I've claimed he would lose against. However, my wishes and what I objectively believe would happen is different. I just really struggle to see how Mike Tyson could beat Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos. Too much reach, height and weight combined with skills. Again, I wish you are correct though.

How does Mike Tyson deal with head control (pushing / pulling the opponent's head as they try to close the distance)? Wladimir Klitschko is a master at doing that. How does Mike Tyson deal with getting clinched? Simply, how does Mike Tyson deal with those 3 opponent's lead hand control of keeping their arms extended and making it impossible for Mike Tyson to get close and if he does get close, holding clinching him? Especially with Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko and less with Vitali.

Maybe I was going a little overboard with that statement above with Mike Tyson getting squashed like a bug / insect by those super heavyweights looking down on him. I take that back. However, Mike Tyson will certainly have his hands full against heavyweights that are as big + skilled as the Klitschkos or Lennox Lewis. It might just be too much for him (I hope not lol).

I'm posting numbers because they are facts. It is factually true that Mike Tyson's KO% suffered against opponents above 230 pounds (average modern heavyweight). It also suffered or decreased as opponents became taller too. What reason do you think was the cause to this? Just asking! I just want your input on this.

Do you genuinely believe that Mike Tyson's punching power decreased as he became older in the later stages of his career? I personally don't because I believe punching power in an ability that stays with a boxer for longer than most other abilities. Punching power generally stays with a boxer even by the age in which Mike Tyson retired. I think that his power remained the same in an old age as it did when he was young. It's just that he was fighting and punching heavier opponents at the latter stages of his career, where it appeared his punching power had less of an effect. Not saying Mike Tyson wasn't powerful, but his power wasn't as effective against much heavier and taller opponents. Otherwise, why couldn't Mike Tyson KO Danny Williams, Kevin Mcbride and Brian Nielsen the same way he knocked out Marvis Frazier with his first combination he landed in the first 30 seconds of the first round? It surely does make me curious. I genuinely believe size (height and weight) played a big factor, especially weight!

It's almost miraculous how someone of Mike Tyson's size has accomplished as much though with everything else being said and done. It deserves tremendous respect regardless. Losing to Lennox Lewis or the Klitschkos is no shame at all, especially when taking into consideration that he probably didn't even have to be a heavyweight and could've fought at cruiserweight and have dominated even more.

Mike still had power when he was older, but he didn't have the leverage, speed and the timing to execute his shots like he'd done previously.

The weight of Williams and McBride are irrelevant.

[robertzimmerman]

you answered your own question. mikes bob and ''weave'' style was easily timed. a guy just needed courage to pounce on it.

hands under chin, bob left, bob right, attack, repeat. wilder isnt a dummy. his resume is no worse t

mike also looked bad vs some of his taller opponents (green being one of them).

its just my opinion. there are no ''wrong'' picks when it comes to hypothetical matches. just which pock makes the most sense.

What the hell are you talking about??

We are looking from Deontay Wilder's perspective here.

He is 6'7, and is uncoordinated with poor footwork/balance.

Mike would have driven at him hard and fast, from a low position, with great head movement.

Wilder would have been punching down.

How on earth would Wilder have timed him with ease?

Mike's style would have been a nightmare for him.


His resume is no worse?


Is this you officially admitting that you're trolling?

[robertzimmerman]

Prime Tyson was stopped by Douglas, lol. Stop hyping this B class fighter.

Lewis was stopped by Rahman and McCall.

Wlad was stopped by Puritty, Sanders and Brewster.

[robertzimmerman]

tt wasnt all that either. tyson caight him on the other side of his career. hee padded his stats with a bunch of BUMS and lost to credible opponents.

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it was spinks last fight. he took the money and retired.

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page and pinklon.....if you could wrap up their careers in a single word, what would it be ?!?!?!

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the guys mike beat, wilder would have beaten. imho at least. and mike, likewise, would have beaten up wilders saps.

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thats why these are called hypothetical matches.

Tony Tucker would be a top 5 HW today without a doubt.

Spinks proved he was a very good HW by having 2 close fights with Holmes, and by beating a decent heavy in Cooney.

Mike never fought Page.

Wilder had a laboured win over a B class Stiverne, and has looked like **** against B and C class fighters.

You don't rate Mike's destructions of Holmes, Spinks and Bruno, yet Wilder took 8 rounds to beat Arreola, and 11 to beat Duhaupas.

Again, from what we've so far, it would be foolish to just assume Wilder would have beaten Holmes, Tucker, Spinks and Bruno etc.

[robertzimmerman]

did you not notice the '' 's marks ? people are giving mike more credit than he deserves because he was usually the shorter guy in the ring. bfd.

listen, if youre a tyson fan, you probably wont give an honest assessment of him. most die hard fans are incapable of being honest.

I'll give you an honest assessment all day, but you're behaving like a troll with the absolute nonsense that you're posting.

[Elroy The Great]

Tony Tucker would be a top 5 HW today without a doubt.

Spinks proved he was a very good HW by having 2 close fights with Holmes, and by beating a decent heavy in Cooney.

Mike never fought Page.

Wilder had a laboured win over a B class Stiverne, and has looked like **** against B and C class fighters.

You don't rate Mike's destructions of Holmes, Spinks and Bruno, yet Wilder took 8 rounds to beat Arreola, and 11 to beat Duhaupas.

Again, from what we've so far, it would be foolish to just assume Wilder would have beaten Holmes, Tucker, Spinks and Bruno etc.

loving eyes.....