Prime Iron Mike versus Joshua or Wilder today

[Elroy The Great]

His accomplishments are still greater than anything anybody his own size have accomplished. That's where his greatness comes from, the fact that he probably shouldn't have even been a heavyweight in the first place but still accomplished as much as he did.

In the end, it doesn't really matter what me or you alone think of Mike Tyson. It matters that he has inspired hundreds of people (I alone know of) and many others that I don't know of to take up the sport of boxing and to become the strongest version of themselves. It also matters that it's very likely even in the future, people will still continue to be inspired by him even though they weren't born when he was boxing. That's greatness! You're words or my words hold very little merit relative to that.

lets put a different spin on tyson....suppose he wasnt the youngest hw champ.....how big of a hit does his legend take ?

[Mr Objecitivity]

lets put a different spin on tyson....suppose he wasnt the youngest hw champ.....how big of a hit does his legend take ?

Even without being the youngest heavyweight champion, he still has various other unparalleled accomplishments for his size P4P. Even in an ABSOLUTE sense, he still has an ATG heavyweight career record without accounting for his size. His KO ratio against heavier than self opponents (top and low quality opposition) is greater than anybody his own size. The speed of his average knockouts are also quicker than anybody his own size. Only supersized heavyweights generally surpass him in an ABSOLUTE sense at heavyweight such as the Klitschkos and perhaps Lennox Lewis.

[Elroy The Great]

Even without being the youngest heavyweight champion, he still has various other unparalleled accomplishments for his size P4P. Even in an ABSOLUTE sense, he still has an ATG heavyweight career record without accounting for his size. His KO ratio against heavier than self opponents (top and low quality opposition) is greater than anybody his own size. The speed of his average knockouts are also quicker than anybody his own size. Only supersized heavyweights generally surpass him in an ABSOLUTE sense at heavyweight such as the Klitschkos and perhaps Lennox Lewis.

how can a person applaud a guy for beating up tall unskilled bums

[Mr Objecitivity]

how can a person applaud a guy for beating up tall unskilled bums

Except Mike Tyson also beat 'non-bummy' opponents too. Unless you define the word 'bum', we're not going to get anywhere.

Literally speaking, no 'non-bummy' boxer can be 'unskilled', especially if they're top ranked (which are boxers Mike Tyson also beat).

Having stated those things, even if a small man beats a big man that isn't too skilled, it's still very impressive. Why? Because if someone is bigger than you in size (especially heavier), they don't even need to be more skilled than you to beat you. Simple truth! If someone outweighs you by 3 times, you have to be at least 3 times more skilled than them to stalemate them and you will have to be more than 3 times more skilled to beat them. If you're only slightly more skilled than them, such as being only 2 times more skilled whilst your opponent is 3 times heavier, your skills advantage still wouldn't be enough!

Floyd Mayweather Jr is arguably much more skilled than Sergey Kovalev. Is that still enough for him to be able to beat Sergey Kovalev? Absolutely not! Why? Because the skill difference isn't THAT HUGE to make up for the size discrepancy. However, he might still be able to beat other bummy light heavyweights though (which is still impressive because of the size difference).
Simply put, a boxer with huge size disadvantages deserves credit for beating much bigger opponents, irrespective of their skill level, especially when taking into consideration that said boxer maybe shouldn't have even competed at the division he / she did (which was the case with Mike Tyson). As such, Mike Tyson will receive more credit from me for beating common opponents that much bigger heavyweights like Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko also beat. For example, I give Mike Tyson more credit for beating Francois Botha than Lennox Lewis. Why? Because Mike Tyson was outsized (in height, reach and especially weight) when he knocked Botha out whilst Lennox Lewis outsized Botha when he knocked him out. It's simply more impressive to KO a heavier common opponent than it is to do the same when being the heavier boxer.

[Elroy The Great]

Except Mike Tyson also beat 'non-bummy' opponents too. Unless you define the word 'bum', we're not going to get anywhere.

''less skilled'' (but we both know what this means).

better ?

btw, why is it bums only exist in specific scenarios ??? of course mike never fought bums !!!!!!!!

[CatchAndShoot]

Iron Mike would smoke both of those guys within 7. I honestly don't even think these guys could beat a prime Razor Ruddock, or a Tony Tubbs.

[CatchAndShoot]

''less skilled'' (but we both know what this means).

better ?

btw, why is it bums only exist in specific scenarios ??? of course mike never fought bums !!!!!!!!

LMAO you're such a ****ty troll.

[Elroy The Great]

LMAO you're such a ****ty troll.

phew....for a second i thought you were going to command me to stfu

[Mr Objecitivity]

''less skilled'' (but we both know what this means).

better ?

btw, why is it bums only exist in specific scenarios ??? of course mike never fought bums !!!!!!!!

'Skills' are a subjective assessment. How do I quantify which boxer qualifies as a 'bum' according to your definition? How do I calculate which boxer is lacking in 'skills' enough to be qualified as a 'bum'?

My definition of the term 'bum' (below usable measure) is as follows:

A boxer who has less than 12 fights in his whole career or has lost 25% (or more) of fights of his WinLossCareerRecord.

Any mention of me calling a boxer a 'bum' has to fulfill that definition / criteria. I don't start mindlessly calling any random boxer a 'bum', only because they are slightly less 'skilled'.

[CatchAndShoot]

phew....for a second i thought you were going to command me to stfu

I'm not a ******, you are. I win.