Prime Iron Mike versus Joshua or Wilder today

[ironmt]

Do you realize how small a heavyweight Mike Tyson was? He would probably be stomped on by these giants and be squashed like a bug. They would be looking down on Mike Tyson like an irrelevant insect.

Mike Tyson was the greatest heavyweight in history P4P and inch for inch (relative to his own size). However, he poses very little threat to the elite super heavyweights.

This Is simply not true and If you take a look at the size of the guys that Tyson fought, quite a few of them were In the 6'3" to 6'5" range with a 80"+ reach. The Mike Tyson from 1987-1988 would have been very successful against any heavyweight from any era.

[hugh grant]

Today's version of josh and wilder get destroyed

[juggernaut666]

Firstly, you might be confusing me for the other user 'Elroy The Great'. It is he who accuses Mike Tyson of being overrated and a bum beater, not me. I don't think Mike Tyson is overrated at all (from an objective standpoint) and I also don't like or support Lennox Lewis much. In fact, I'm an even bigger fan of Mike Tyson than Lennox Lewis. Mike Tyson is one of the boxers I respect most for accomplishing what he has with such size discrepancy. I can't emphasize how impressive it is from a P4P and inch for inch perspective. However, I am also a realist too and I acknowledge that Mike Tyson had limitations and where it lie, which was against skillful super sized heavyweights (which is whatLennox Lewis was).

Those other super sized heavyweight boxers Mike Tyson beat were never as skilled as Lennox Lewis or Klitschkos. They were low skilled superheavyweights which Mike Tyson could overcome his lack of size by using his superior skills against, which is something he can't do against Lennox Lewis as Lewis himself was also very skilled. If you're a smaller boxer facing a bigger boxer who was much less skilled than you, you can overcome your size disadvantages by using superior skills. However, if they were the same size but were just as skilled as you were close to your skill level, then you don't stand much of a chance because you can't overcome your size disadvantages using your superior skills because you don't have superior skills to use compared to such an opponent.

I wonder why you claim Ruddock was lucky to last the distance? I didn't see Ruddock ever coming close to getting knocked out by Mike Tyson as he was by Lennox Lewis.

Frank Bruno was an exception. He simply was a boxer who didn't react well to an aggressive assault. If we ignore Frank Bruno, then MOST other heavyweights above 230 pounds (irrespective of skill level) were very difficult for Mike Tyson to KO.

Mike Tyson could certainly punch hard relative to his size. In fact, he and David Tua were the most powerful punches for their height and overall size. However, it's been statistically proven that Mike Tyson's KO percentage decreased more and more as opponents became heavier and taller. Especially if combined with skills as well. Mike Tyson's hardest punches against light bummy opponents (opponents below 220 pounds) like Marvis Frazier was knocking those opponents out cold. The same punches against bummy but heavier opponents (opponents above 230 pounds) like Danny Williams were doing very little damage. Mike Tyson failed to KO Danny Williams with so many flush landed punches but concussed Marvis Frazier in only 30 seconds with his first combo. Size was a big factor to this. I'm not even including skillful big / heavy opponents. Average to below average heavy / big boxers were causing Mike Tyson that much trouble. It becomes even worse if I also include skillful opponents of those sizes.

"something he can't do against Lennox Lewis as Lewis himself was also very skilled. If you're a smaller boxer facing a bigger boxer who was much less skilled than you, you can overcome your size disadvantages by using superior skills. However, if they were the same size but were just as skilled as you were close to your skill level, then you don't stand much of a chance because you can't overcome your size disadvantages using your superior skills because you don't have superior skills to use compared to such an opponent."

This qoute from YOU...has nothing to do what i just posted..and thats actual faults of Lewis and similar like Tyson opponents who fought both. you keep mentioning superior skill??? Again Tyson COUNTERS Lewis all day the way he fought...

I already showed you with actual fights Lewis weakness was fast paced fighters...Tyson would not only win more than the first TWO rnds( he did that ALREADY PAST his best) he would stop Lewis if he pressed him between 3/6 rnds....your calculations really dont add up here. You are using numbers not associated not just what i posted but the actual match up. i have NO doubt Tyson k.os Lewis in the 80's and a VERY good shot in the early 90's.

Maybe you missed ALOT of Lewis fights but he was rocked /even dropped ( werent called) by less punchers who didnt have Tyson skills...im not really sure where you cant see this?

All in all it comes down to skills no matter what you post here bc a combination of speed/power and evasiveness under Cus or rooney would beat the guys you are mentioning if he really had to and the fights i even gave you( two guys and even a sparring partner knocked Lewis OUT) you have little to fight me on here....


Im not sure if youve ever boxed but i can tell you ,a guy like Tyson would crush just about anyone on his best day you NEED CERTAIN intangibles to deal with him...Lewis has faults that Tyson would expoit even at 5'11 it really doesnt matter we are doing H2H matches here..the real life skills dont stop with someones weight ...in most cases it would NOT here!. !


you are using DANNY WIILLIAMS to TRY and prove me wrong might as well use Kevin McBride too?....lmao...just stop!

You also claim these BIG guys that caused him trouble???did you ignore everything i posted or make up fiments of imagination ???Look i been around the block..i see what you are trying to do..and well....it aint gona work with me bc as you are trying to prove Tyson is P4P the best im SHOWING you he was more than P4P....

You can ignore my points ( you had too to keep posting to me which is fine but you really need to Re Read All my post on this thread, maybe this site ,which has MANY nuts ,some are on this very thread)....either way i hope you actually read what im posting bc it MAKES SENSE!

I honestly can't recall the last time i met such a poster who made great Tyson points to give him credit and at the same time drag him down so low you think he was a 12 year old boy fighting Andre the Giant the way you describe his chances?

"Do you realize how small a heavyweight Mike Tyson was? He would probably be stomped on by these giants and be squashed like a bug. They would be looking down on Mike Tyson like an irrelevant insect. "

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

JUST NO!

[Elroy The Great]

tyson peaked and bombed at the perfect times

was all that when he was fighting BUMS (thomas, berbick, smith and shot tucker).
he all of a sudden became shlt when he fought legit threats.

[Sheldon312]

I think the jury is still out on Joshua.

As for Wilder, he's done nothing. He also looks incredibly flawed. He has awful technique, and he's looked poor even against B and C class guys.

Tony Tucker was a better fighter.

Larry Holmes was a better fighter. (Yes, even the faded version who Mike beat. Check him out even in his 40's, from the early 90's)

Michael Spinks was a better HW.

Frank Bruno has shown me more at this point.

Joshua schools holmes easy work especially at 40. Bruno and Spinks get their manhood taken away.

[Sheldon312]

tyson peaked and bombed at the perfect times

was all that when he was fighting BUMS (thomas, berbick, smith and shot tucker).
he all of a sudden became shlt when he fought legit threats.

Thank you jesus.

[Elroy The Great]

Thank you jesus.

...and then he became reborn with the seldon win ! yet another legitimate, long reigning champ tyson defeated !!!!

[kardsufur]

mike vs. joshua basically mike vs. razor ruddock. mike wins by KO

[b d w]

If a club slugger like Dillian Whyte could hurt Joshua then what could Mike do? Yeah yeah I know Joshua has improved since then but prime Tyson rips him a new one. That double left hook to the body alone would stiffen up that giant robot leaving Mike free fro the kill shot to the head.

As for Bomb Squad, again if Arfar Spiilllkaa could take him competitive rounds then Mike abuses him.

[MrRolltide91]

tyson peaked and bombed at the perfect times

was all that when he was fighting BUMS (thomas, berbick, smith and shot tucker).
he all of a sudden became shlt when he fought legit threats.

But but but he was past his prime when he fought buster douglas.......lol