Better Resume and Why: Andre Ward or Sven Ottke

[therealpugilist]

I was having a nice conversation with a fellow poster and he said something that clearly blew my mind

he said he questioned wards resume and his accomplishments in the ring

their is no need to share who the poster is, but this statement literally made me have a brain fart


he explained andre ward had a resume no better than Sven ottke.....wow.......


I don't know fellas.....what do you think

I think its clear as day that Ward accomplished more and beat better fights

[madsweeney]

I was just thinking....damn I'm hungry

[GhostofDempsey]

Let's get the record straight...I said Ward has a slightly better resume than Ottke. I also said, if I were to start a thread on here touting the greatness of Kessler, Abraham, Dawson, Bika, and Froch I would be laughed out of the forum. I asked how Ward is so great if his opponents weren't so great. Fair question.

[IronDanHamza]

Ward, obviously.

[therealpugilist]

I was just thinking....damn I'm hungry

damn....past me a piece bro!!!

[therealpugilist]

Let's get the record straight...I said Ward has a slightly better resume than Ottke. I also said, if I were to start a thread on here touting the greatness of Kessler, Abraham, Dawson, Bika, and Froch I would be laughed out of the forum. I asked how Ward is so great if his opponents weren't so great. Fair question.

I wasn't trying to out you or whatever term they use around here...I just asked a question for the forum to discuss


I don't know how you came to the conclusion you did but I watched both eras and their was definitely more talent in the 2010s than the 2000s as far as 168 bro


"weren't so great".....the man has 1 really close fight, in 31 fights, 2 divisions, and multiple titles...that should answer it for you....most of his fights he dominated and his opposition was very good

[GhostofDempsey]

I wasn't trying to out you or whatever term they use around here...I just asked a question for the forum to discuss


I don't know how you came to the conclusion you did but I watched both eras and their was definitely more talent in the 2010s than the 2000s as far as 168 bro


"weren't so great".....the man has 1 really close fight, in 31 fights, 2 divisions, and multiple titles...that should answer it for you....most of his fights he dominated and his opposition was very good

But dominating divisions is a lot easier if it isn't very deep with talent. GGG is dominating MW, but there's no one on his resume that stands out as a great opponent. I hold GGG to the same standard as Ward. Andre probably could have moved to 175 a lot sooner against better opponents, but he fought the same style fighter for most of his career...slow brawlers and stiff Euro-bots.

Two close decisions over Kovalev and Froch (where most thought Kov won and Ward ran from Froch) and going the distance with Abraham, Mirdanda, Bika, Brand, Green, Rodriquez, Berrera, Buchanan, doesn't scream greatness. He's a skilled fighter but I have trouble listing him as an All-Time Great which was the original question in your other thread.

[daggum]

ottke for sure. 21 title defenses. no controversies like ward. super six made people overrate 168. it was thought of as a trash division but then everyone beat each other and what talent! some of the slowest and stiffest guys ive ever seen and the type of guys the slick brigade always bashes are now held up as great wins...if jacobs, lemieux, saunders, etc...all beat each other would that make them better fighters and the division good?

[therealpugilist]

But dominating divisions is a lot easier if it isn't very deep with talent. GGG is dominating MW, but there's no one on his resume that stands out as a great opponent. I hold GGG to the same standard as Ward. Andre probably could have moved to 175 a lot sooner against better opponents, but he fought the same style fighter for most of his career...slow brawlers and stiff Euro-bots.

Two close decisions over Kovalev and Froch (where most thought Kov won and Ward ran from Froch) and going the distance with Abraham, Mirdanda, Bika, Brand, Green, Rodriquez, Berrera, Buchanan, doesn't scream greatness. He's a skilled fighter but I have trouble listing him as an All-Time Great which was the original question in your other thread.

Der der


Newsflash ggg never Beat anyone as accomplished as froch or Kessler

Get real 168 in 2009-2012 had faaaaar more talent than 160 today


You pretty much exposed yourself

You are hard up for ward n thats OK


If his resume is so average name 5 fighters that are active today that have better resumes... Please don't be lazy with wlad or PAC...they are 40 lol

[FinitoxDinamita]

Better comparison would be Ottke and Calzaghe