Better Resume and Why: Andre Ward or Sven Ottke

[therealpugilist]

ottke for sure. 21 title defenses. no controversies like ward. super six made people overrate 168. it was thought of as a trash division but then everyone beat each other and what talent! some of the slowest and stiffest guys ive ever seen and the type of guys the slick brigade always bashes are now held up as great wins...if jacobs, lemieux, saunders, etc...all beat each other would that make them better fighters and the division good?

Bwahahaha

You know posters ignore you when it comes to certain fighters right

It would be nice if they actually fought each other @ 160


GGG is a monster but hasn't even fought the Best middleweights smdh....he likes welterweights and no names

He won't be fighting anyone with a pulse next considering how close his fight was with Jacobs n just like you whined about kov vs ward rematch which happening I bet you don't even care if Jacobs gets a rematch


Lol

[GhostofDempsey]

ottke for sure. 21 title defenses. no controversies like ward. super six made people overrate 168. it was thought of as a trash division but then everyone beat each other and what talent! some of the slowest and stiffest guys ive ever seen and the type of guys the slick brigade always bashes are now held up as great wins...if jacobs, lemieux, saunders, etc...all beat each other would that make them better fighters and the division good?

Exactly! Like I said earlier, if I start a thread going on about how great Kessler, Dawson, Abraham, Bika, Green or even Froch were, I'd be laughed out of here. But, Ward beats them all by decision and somehow this qualifies him as an ATG. The same Ward fans who bash Kovalev as B-rate still want to give credit to Ward for beating him, which has been up for debate.

I know the OP thinks I'm just hating on Ward, but when you take a step back and an impartial view of his career, where are the GREAT opponents who he beat to make him an ALL TIME GREAT? Still waiting for an direct answer from the OP.

[therealpugilist]

Better comparison would be Ottke and Calzaghe

Tell daggum and ghostOfDempsey that


Ward is a B level fighter n ottke is a legend


Must be some good weed


It is 4/20 today lol

[therealpugilist]

Exactly! Like I said earlier, if I start a thread going on about how great Kessler, Dawson, Abraham, Bika, Green or even Froch were, I'd be laughed out of here. But, Ward beats them all by decision and somehow this qualifies him as an ATG. The same Ward fans who bash Kovalev as B-rate still want to give credit to Ward for beating him, which has been up for debate.

I know the OP thinks I'm just hating on Ward, but when you take a step back and an impartial view of his career, where are the GREAT opponents who he beat to make him an ALL TIME GREAT? Still waiting for an direct answer from the OP.

Dude brewer was a FNF level guy I grew up watching.... Very basic....mundine was a novice at the time ottke fought him

Kessler dominated everyone not named froch, ward or Calzaghe. He was very well rounded and skilled....he himself has a resume on par with ottke

Froch wasnt pretty to watch but wins over Dirrell, Kessler, bute etc trumps anything ottkes opponents ever did

Kessler n froch beat everyone in their era between. Them accept ward


The guys ottke beat we're unproven or took a lot of losses to b class fighters


If you can't see that...IDk what to say

Kovalev is a beast ward will be fighting him in June again.... Kov would spark ottke the **** out


Come on man....just go watch the fights.... 168 simply didn't have as much talent in ottkes era....168 had champs fighting champs consistently n proving themselves

[GhostofDempsey]

Dude brewer was a FNF level guy I grew up watching.... Very basic....mundine was a novice at the time ottke fought him

Kessler dominated everyone not named froch, ward or Calzaghe. He was very well rounded and skilled....he himself has a resume on par with ottke

Froch wasnt pretty to watch but wins over Dirrell, Kessler, bute etc trumps anything ottkes opponents ever did

Kessler n froch beat everyone in their era between. Them accept ward


The guys ottke beat we're unproven or took a lot of losses to b class fighters


If you can't see that...IDk what to say

Kovalev is a beast ward will be fighting him in June again.... Kov would spark ottke the **** out


Come on man....just go watch the fights.... 168 simply didn't have as much talent in ottkes era....168 had champs fighting champs consistently n proving themselves

I already acknowledged that Ward has a better resume than Ottke, but not leaps and bounds ahead of him. There is not one elite level slick boxer on Ward's record. Not one! If you say Dawson or Froch I'm going to lose my lunch.

[The Big Dunn]

I'd bet Aaron Hernandez was discussing boxing with Daggum and GhostofDempsey right before he offed himself

[daggum]

Bwahahaha

You know posters ignore you when it comes to certain fighters right

It would be nice if they actually fought each other @ 160


GGG is a monster but hasn't even fought the Best middleweights smdh....he likes welterweights and no names

He won't be fighting anyone with a pulse next considering how close his fight was with Jacobs n just like you whined about kov vs ward rematch which happening I bet you don't even care if Jacobs gets a rematch


Lol

i dnot think you understood my point. if they did fight each other how would that change how good they were/their skills sets? someone has to win. juts like someone had to win the fights in the super six. it doesnt mean those guys were supremely talented.

i actually said i dont want to see ward-kov rematch so not sure what you are talking about. ggg-jacobs wasnt a huggie wrestling match so i wouldnt mind watching again.

[Madison Boxing]

wards is better but its still seriously overrated. lets dissect it a bit, wheres the great wins? he beat cobra by 1 round, a fighter who has his limitations. kessler was never tht great and not the same after joe dealt with him. dawson got sparked by the pimp in 1 round, barreras useless, abraham was a stiff useless plodder. he fought one top opponent in kovalev and most thought he lost. thats some stellar cv is it?

[Cutthroat]

SOG has the most underrated resume in boxing.

By age 25 he dominated and stopped Kessler, which not even Joe C could do.

He dominated whoever they put on him, Abraham, Froch, Dawson, Kessler, were all fighters considered in the top 10-15 in the sport of boxing when he fought and beat them.

The tear he's been on since he was a child is insane, truly an American hero

[therealpugilist]

I already acknowledged that Ward has a better resume than Ottke, but not leaps and bounds ahead of him. There is not one elite level slick boxer on Ward's record. Not one! If you say Dawson or Froch I'm going to lose my lunch.

you shouldn't have to lose your lunch for trying to belittle and downplays wards accomplishments and opponents....I saw you in other threads...he boring doe!!!

look at the other posters replies bro...its not even close

its obviously better by the level of opposition and his dominance over them

you don't like ward..cool...its obvious by your posts in other threads


it is what it is...its clearly better than ottkes and its not close bro...sorry....ward is a two division champion and ottke didn't even have the balls to fight the other best 168er in his era...that alone kills it even being close....he didn't take the risks ward did, nor did he ever move up and fight a contender like barrera or a p4p entrant like Kovalev

keep fighting the good fight bro