Finally! Canelo isn't...

[BattlingNelson]

Floyd was holding straps at 154 and 147 simultaneously.

I don't recall the specifics regarding Floyd but the comparable situation is that of Zsolt Erdei. He was stripped immidiately as he moved up. Didn't matter that he returned back to lhw later.

[Lester Tutor]

I don't recall the specifics regarding Floyd but the comparable situation is that of Zsolt Erdei. He was stripped immidiately as he moved up. Didn't matter that he returned back to lhw later.

Alvarez technically defended his Middleweight strap 11 months ago with Khan. As we theorized last year, Nelo's bout with Smith for the WBO was for benefits when going for the WBO at 160. The fact that if a council could acknowledge a similarity with Floyd at 154 and 147, then who knows how GBP justified Alvarez dates.

A catchweight with a bigass Chavez Jr... then it's easy to give GBP the benefit of the doubt that 160 has been set.

[MDPopescu]

... as at least for the "middleweight" and "heavyweight" divisions, I usually take the "lineages" from "The Ring" and TBRB...

... and, as I've just checked, TBRB states that lineage at the "middleweight" is "OPEN"...

TBRD has only three "lineal champions" to date: Rigondeaux, Crawford and... Stevenson...

http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

[BattlingNelson]

... as at least for the "middleweight" and "heavyweight" divisions, I usually take the "lineages" from "The Ring" and TBRB...

... and, as I've just checked, TBRB states that lineage at the "middleweight" is "OPEN"...

TBRD has only three "lineal champions" to date: Rigondeaux, Crawford and... Stevenson...

http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

The Ring is just the GBP Company paper and should be viewed as such.

Transnational Boxing rankings has just changed the status of the MW title yesterday. That's way to late according to precedent (Erdei). They should correct themselves and acknowledge the Winner of the Golovkin-Jacobs bout as lineal champion. This American bias is disgusting.

[Lester Tutor]

The Ring is just the GBP Company paper and should be viewed as such.

Transnational Boxing rankings has just changed the status of the MW title yesterday. That's way to late according to precedent (Erdei). They should correct themselves and acknowledge the Winner of the Golovkin-Jacobs bout as lineal champion. This American bias is disgusting.

No, technically, for a promotional team representing a fighter that have displayed interest in acquiring all the belts, where their interest would stilll be in fighting a non title holder in Alvarez creates a loophole...especially since there's a champion in the WBO..

Therefore it wouldn't be Jacobs. It would be GGG vs Saunders undeniably, but team GGG refused to pursue it.

[MDPopescu]

The Ring is just the GBP Company paper and should be viewed as such.

Transnational Boxing rankings has just changed the status of the MW title yesterday. That's way to late according to precedent (Erdei). They should correct themselves and acknowledge the Winner of the Golovkin-Jacobs bout as lineal champion. This American bias is disgusting.

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http://www.tbrb.org/successions/

MIDDLEWEIGHT
"Throne declared open 18 April 2017 after Saul Alvarez, in answer to a question posed by member Jake Donovan about his middleweight title status on 11 April, stated: “I am not a middleweight champion. I was at one point, but I am no longer the middleweight champ.” Alvarez has thus formerly abdicated, as per the charter, the middleweight throne."

[Lester Tutor]

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http://www.tbrb.org/successions/

MIDDLEWEIGHT
"Throne declared open 18 April 2017 after Saul Alvarez, in answer to a question posed by member Jake Donovan about his middleweight title status on 11 April, stated: “I am not a middleweight champion. I was at one point, but I am no longer the middleweight champ.” Alvarez has thus formerly abdicated, as per the charter, the middleweight throne."

The Lineal belt is a Champion status? Wasn't the context being the "WBC Champ?" What other rating or Champion status would Nelo be referring to?

[kafkod]

How does that work? When ever someone is a Lineal Champion, what are the rules that judge and determine how long or what a boxer does to be Lineal Champion? You mentioned a board. I'm just asking because for as long as I've followed boxing I've never heard how being or staying a Lineal Champion works. For those that know and are aware, please fill me in. Thanks

This is the board he was talking about:

http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

TBRB are just a ranking organisation who also appoint lineal champions. Ring magazine are another.

Ring and TBRB are the 2 most respected lineal title appointees, but they don't always agree on who the lineal champ in every division is.

Eg, Ring stripped Adonis Stevenson, but TBRB still recognise him as lineal LHW champ. TBRB just stripped Canelo, but Ring still recognise him as lineal MW champ.

[kafkod]

I mean the RING title. Lineal is way too confusing.

ring magazine doesn't list lineal champions. ring magazine lists ring magazine champions. ring magazine is owned by canelo's promoter. ring magazine invented a bunch of random rules that have nothing to do with lineal and everything to do with benefiting canelo's promoter.

Considering the Ring belt and Lineal are completely different does it matter?

Ring magazine award their title belts to whoever they recognise as lineal champion of that division.

In other words, according to Ring magazine policy, Ring champion and lineal champion are one and the same.

[BattlingNelson]

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http://www.tbrb.org/successions/

MIDDLEWEIGHT
"Throne declared open 18 April 2017 after Saul Alvarez, in answer to a question posed by member Jake Donovan about his middleweight title status on 11 April, stated: “I am not a middleweight champion. I was at one point, but I am no longer the middleweight champ.” Alvarez has thus formerly abdicated, as per the charter, the middleweight throne."

Seriously. That's bs. How can they take some random lipservice as gospel? They need to use objective criteria's as they did in the Erdei case. Now they use the date of which canelo was asked a question by Jake Donovan. What if he had asked that question 2, 3 or 6 months ago? This is rubbish.