Finally! Canelo isn't...

[original zero]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Ring_world_champions

The Ring magazine has awarded world championships in professional boxing within each weight class from its foundation in 1922 until the 1990s, and again since 2001. These titles were at one point intertwined with the lineal championship of a weight class, but have since become distinct from each other.


https://www.******.com/ratings/

"Lineal" is not mentioned anywhere to describe Ring's championships. The rules of lineal are clear and Ring's rules have nothing to do with lineal. Their championship policy does not claim to be lineal.


http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/cha...ith-dan-rafael

Matt (Naperville, IL): Could not be more disappointed in the latest changes to The Ring championship policy

Dan Rafael (12:13 PM): I agree wholeheartedly. Now it is just another title with no meaning and no juice to make a fight happen. The current editors mangled the original concept -- it's SUPPOSED to be hard to fill the vacancies. Now if guys ranked in the top 5 can do it wonderful. It's supposed to signify the lineal championship and now it won't. So I'm done with it.

[icha]

There is no lineage on ring titles, no matter how hard ring tries... ring doesnt own lineal and never will , period...

[Robbie Barrett]

I don't know why Golovkin fans are happy, if Golovkin beats Canelo in September he still won't be lineal now.

[kafkod]

not true at all man...Roy was ring champ but never lineal champ
Manny was labeled lineal after Bradley 3 but has never been ring champ at 147

What I'm saying is that if the Ring recognise a fighter as lineal champ they will award him their title belt, so they couldn't have both a Ring Champ and a lineal champ recognised by the Ring in the same division ... correct?

I don't know what happened with Manny at 147, but if I remember right, the lineal LHW champ was a Polish guy called Darius something or other .. I don't remember his surname - but the Ring stopped recognising him for some reason, maybe because he wasn't fighting any top ranked contenders.

[kafkod]

There is no lineage on ring titles, no matter how hard ring tries... ring doesnt own lineal and never will , period...

Nobody owns lineal titles, that's why fans can argue about who the lineal champs are.

That's also why I don't see them as having any real meaning or purpose, except to boxing history writers.

[original zero]

What I'm saying is that if the Ring recognise a fighter as lineal champ they will award him their title belt

Wrong. That used to be how it worked years ago, but that's not how they do it anymore. Golden Boy Promotions bought them and stopped recognizing lineal champions. Ring made up a bunch of rules and started crowning their own champions that had nothing to do with lineal. Ring's championship policy makes no mention of lineal whatsoever.

[Randall Cunning]

Damn, this argument has entered day 3, proper war of attrition

[kafkod]

Wrong. That used to be how it worked years ago, but that's not how they do it anymore. Golden Boy Promotions bought them and stopped recognizing lineal champions. Ring made up a bunch of rules and started crowning their own champions that had nothing to do with lineal. Ring's championship policy makes no mention of lineal whatsoever.

I used to subscribe to Ring magazine and had a copy sent to my local news agent in the UK every month for years, but I let that lapse before GBP took over, and I haven't read a copy since then, just articles that were linked to boxing sites.

I thought they still recognised lineal champs and that the Rings recognition of Canelo as lineal MW champ was what we were arguing about here!

Clearly, I've been misunderstanding what you were saying and that's why we've been going round in circles.

[kafkod]

Damn, this argument has entered day 3, proper war of attrition

And nobody has insulted anybody or brought race into it. That's a damn miracle for this place nowadays. I wish all the arguments that went on here were like this one..

I'm withdrawing now doe. I realise I misunderstood what original zero was saying due to my knowledge of Ring magazine policy being out of date.

[OnePunch]

I don't know why Golovkin fans are happy, if Golovkin beats Canelo in September he still won't be lineal now.

because even though there is a valid argument that GGG is not "lineal", there is no longer a valid argument that someone else is.