Is Marquez-Floyd the same as ggg-brook?

[Sledgeweather17]

nice, can i see those weights. cool you have them

basementgymboxing.blogspot.com/2014/08/floyd-mayweather-juniors-weight-with.html

The above Link shows the Ortiz (150lbs), Baldomir (149lbs), Judah (146lbs), and Shamba Mitchell (148lbs) fight night weights at welterweight contested bouts.

It also shows all his other fight night weights all the way down to super featherweight, and you'll see that in his whole career he has never rehydrated by more than 6lbs.

boxrec.com/media/index.php/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr._vs._Marcos_Maidana

The Maidana fight night weights are in the above link. Floyd at 148lbs and Maidana at 165lbs (17lbs difference).

http://s14.postimg.org/x9m492vup/Floyd_Canelo.jpg

The above link is a tale of the tape of the Floyd vs Canelo fight night weight. Floyd at 150lbs and Canelo at 165 lbs (15lbs difference).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GTZQT3F05AI/TnbdjVtYFCI/AAAAAAAADgU/4opR0UPoUXI/s1600/Mayweather.vs.Ortiz-Mayweather-Ortiz%2BHBO%2Bboxing%252C%2BMayweather-Ortiz%2B2011%2B09%2B17.jpg

The link above is the tale of the tape of the Floyd vs Victor Ortiz bout, Floyd at 150lbs and Ortiz at 165 (15lbs difference).

These are the ones I could find. Am struggling to find the one for Pacquiao, but I know that the NSAC document, where they weighed him for the dehydration issues revealed that he was in fact 149lbs on fight night compared to Pac's 152lbs. The info was easily available after the fight but it seems to have disappeared from the cyber space. All I could find was one forum where fans (and haters) were discussing it...link is below.

https://www.*************.com/threads/fight-night-weights-mayweather-149-v-pac-152.537318/

[satiev1]

Marquez back was a super featherweight movimg up to lightweight after being defeated by pacman. Then he beats casamayor for the unified lightweight. And then floyd pulls him up over 2 divisions to fight at the welterweight catchweight of 145 which floyd missed. Then the size difference was seen in the ring with floyd 2 inches taller and 5-10 pounds heavier fighf night. While ggg brook fight night was one inch taller and outweighed ggg by a pound.

Now does ggg get the same credit of beating brook like what floyd did to marquez?

Yup Similar except there was a bigger size disparity between mayweather and marquez. Mayweather had a big reach advantage as well as a height advantage over marquez. In brook vs ggg it was even.

[satiev1]

Same deal.

Both guys had a huge size advantage, as everyone knew when the fights were announced.

Brook weighed more than ggg fight night. Reach was the same. Height was very similar.

[satiev1]

Marquez was P4P #2 or something and he had just beaten Pacquiao a year earlier, Floyd was coming off a 2 year layoff and a rib injury while everyone was calling for a fight between himself and Pacquiao, Floyd wanted to show how easily he can beat the guy who just beat Pacquiao and was naturally the same size as Pacquiao after a 2 year layoff and he did just that in a tremendous performance against a P4P top fighter and a lineal champion.

What did Kell Brook do since beating Porter by a point 3 years before he fought GGG? On which P4P list was he ranked? Was he even a lineal champ at 147? No and no.

Pacquiao thought he can do the same thing Mayweather did agaimst the older 147 pound version of Marquez and he lost again to Marquez, he tried again a year later and we all know what happened.

Brook that fought porter would beat the dog**** out of marquez way worse than bradley beat him. Possibly even stop him. Brooke > marquez.

[SplitSecond]

So are you saying you believe Manny was using as well?

I'm saying Pacquiao is very strong, and was stronger at 147 at a weight he obviously had an easier time fitting into physically than Marquez considering Pacquiao moved there around 29-30 and Marquez at 36 was still at 135. With that said, Juiquez was stronger (at least locally i.e. arms) than Pacquiao but Pacquiao is an athlete that knows how to use his entire body for leverage. 4th fight where Pacquiao did no S&C the strength really showed and he got sparked for his negligence.

[Sledgeweather17]

You can't talk sense to a hater. They will just default to some dumb ***** but never acknowledge that JMM and Floyd cheated to win. Who else has ever been caught with an illegal IdV the day before their biggest fight? And then get an exception 3 weeks after the fight? Let Pac try that and watch the haters lose their *****.

Don't be dumb. It obviously takes time to properly investigate the issue thoroughly. He was given preliminary verbal exemption with immediate effect, pending an investigation and due process.

That takes time, which is why the official exemption was granted three weeks later. Geez don't you guys know anything?

[Reloaded]

I'm saying Pacquiao is very strong, and was stronger at 147 at a weight he obviously had an easier time fitting into physically than Marquez considering Pacquiao moved there around 29-30 and Marquez at 36 was still at 135.

The age don't matter in the way you think it does, Manny and JMM when fighting at 130 were stepping in fight night at 144ish, when they moved up all they did was allow the body to build up more mass, they turned the drying out weight into muscle weight and less drying out.

That's why as they let the body off its restricted diet and moved to 147 , their fighting weight was within 4-5 pounds of what it was when they were 130.

They don't grow bigger, their bones don't get larger or thicker they don't get taller, its just exchanging drying out weight for muscle mass, and once they allow the body to do that they ain't ever going back because the body wont allow it, same thing happens with jockeys once they put on mass they cant go back down again near what they were, age factors in on the going back process, not the going up.

[Sledgeweather17]

Yup Similar except there was a bigger size disparity between mayweather and marquez. Mayweather had a big reach advantage as well as a height advantage over marquez. In brook vs ggg it was even.

You fuuucking liars. The height difference between Floyd and Marquez is actually LESS than the heigh difference between GGG and Brook dumb ass.

Marquez is 5'7" according to boxrec and wikipedia, Mayweather is 5'8".

GGG is 5'10.5" and Brook is 5'9".

Marquez has the same reach as Brook at 69 inches.

You dumb fuuucks always lying to the public.

Also Marquez weighed 148lbs, Mayweather averages between 148 and 150lbs at welterweight. I got proof too, check my other post.

Stop lying you ****** haters.

[SplitSecond]

The age don't matter in the way you think it does, Manny and JMM when fighting at 130 were stepping in fight night at 144ish, when they moved up all they did was allow the body to build up more mass, they turned the drying out weight into muscle weight and less drying out.

That's why as they let the body off its restricted diet and moved to 147 , their fighting weight was within 4-5 pounds of what it was when they were 130.

They don't grow bigger, their bones don't get larger or thicker they don't get taller, its just exchanging drying out weight for muscle mass, and once they allow the body to do that they aint every going back because the body wont allow it, same thing happens with jockeys once they put on mass they cant go back down again near what they were, age factors in on the going back process, not the going up.

The point here is you carry a lot more anabolic properties in your body at the age Pacquiao went up and can physically fit into those categories easier. You can even see Pacquiao get stronger and fit into the weight class, like we saw Mayweather get stronger at the weight class, Marquez at 36 not so much, not without aid. Weight alone isn't enough. Marquez went back to 135, but when moving up this time with Heredia he also moved up slowly to allow a gradual acclimatization which I wouldn't be surprised came from Heredia's recommendation.

[Metho_4u]

I'm saying Pacquiao is very strong, and was stronger at 147 at a weight he obviously had an easier time fitting into physically than Marquez considering Pacquiao moved there around 29-30 and Marquez at 36 was still at 135. With that said, Juiquez was stronger (at least locally i.e. arms) than Pacquiao but Pacquiao is an athlete that knows how to use his entire body for leverage. 4th fight where Pacquiao did no S&C the strength really showed and he got sparked for his negligence.

Oh I see, but Marquez isn't an athlete and doesn't know how to use his entire body as leverage? Even though Marquez has an extensive amount of boxing experience, likely more than Manny right?
Now, everyone has jumped all over Marquez, and said he was using...which I believe. No argument there. However, to assume that Pacquiao was NOT using when the zits showed up all over his back is just ****** as **** and a pathetic excuse claiming he's "just stronger"... everyone needs to face the facts here.