Is Marquez-Floyd the same as ggg-brook?

[Metho_4u]

The point here is you carry a lot more anabolic properties in your body at the age Pacquiao went up and can physically fit into those categories easier. You can even see Pacquiao get stronger and fit into the weight class, like we saw Mayweather get stronger at the weight class, Marquez at 36 not so much, not without aid. Weight alone isn't enough. Marquez went back to 135, but when moving up this time with Heredia he also moved up slowly to allow a gradual acclimatization which I wouldn't be surprised came from Heredia's recommendation.

Bull****, grown men don't get zits all over their back and chest in their mid 30s unless they had a specific condition. Manny had anabolic properties alright.

[SplitSecond]

Oh I see, but Marquez isn't an athlete and doesn't know how to use his entire body as leverage? Even though Marquez has an extensive amount of boxing experience, likely more than Manny right?
Now, everyone has jumped all over Marquez, and said he was using...which I believe. No argument there. However, to assume that Pacquiao was NOT using when the zits showed up all over his back is just ****** as **** and a pathetic excuse claiming he's "just stronger"... everyone needs to face the facts here.

Yea, Pacquiao juiced up when he decided to do Floyd's testing, the whole point of which was supposed to stop Pacquiao from juicing and which he deathly afraid of if we think back. Oh but wait, didn't Pacquiao stop juicing after all the accusations? No Ariza shakes neither, hmm.

Mine (and many people's) belief in Marquez's juicing is the body of work not a single focus. People can have acne, and Pacquiao was on medication for his shoulder injury which could flare such a condition. You can believe Pacquiao was on juice, I'm not going to tell you that you are wrong.

As for the whole athletic thing, yea, it's pretty clear Pacquiao knows how to put his entire body into shots, he uses his legs a lot more and there's just a more harmonious connection that you see with natural fighters, Marquez is top heavy and usually punches mainly with his upper body with wide punches, although his right hands he definitely puts his entire body into it.

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The point here is you carry a lot more anabolic properties in your body at the age Pacquiao went up and can physically fit into those categories easier. You can even see Pacquiao get stronger and fit into the weight class, like we saw Mayweather get stronger at the weight class, Marquez at 36 not so much, not without aid. Weight alone isn't enough. Marquez went back to 135, but when moving up this time with Heredia he also moved up slowly to allow a gradual acclimatization which I wouldn't be surprised came from Heredia's recommendation.

What has that got to do with what I said, off course they get stronger because they have more muscle mass, the drying out process 36 hrs from fight time allows them to fight up to 2 divisions lighter than what the body wants to naturally be, once you let the body do that its very very hard to go back again.

Im not sure what it is your trying to say in relation to the topic.

[SplitSecond]

What has that got to do with what I said, off course they get stronger because they have more muscle mass, the drying out process 36 hrs from fight time allows them to fight up to 2 divisions lighter than what the body wants to naturally be, once you let the body do that its very very hard to go back again.

Im not sure what it is your trying to say in relation to the topic.

What I'm saying is they don't belong at 147, despite the weight. Pacquiao at 29 though can grow to adapt into the weight, Marquez at 36 not so much. He can be physically fit there and his strength will increase due to not draining, but he wont be able to handle the guys better acclimated, he'll grow too slow and stay out of his depth.

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What I'm saying is they don't belong at 147, despite the weight. Pacquiao at 29 though can grow to adapt into the weight, Marquez at 36 not so much. He can be physically fit there and his strength will increase due to not draining, but he wont be able to handle the guys better acclimated, he'll stay too weak and out of his depth.

Ah ok now I see what your saying, for sure they don't belong at 147 because everybody else does the full drying thing to be as big as they can be at the weight so will be bigger on fight night , its just they are truly great fighters and that's what allows them to get away with it, but they cant go into guys that are nearly as good a fighter as them and give the size away, they got to be selective in who they fight.

Weight in boxing is very manipulative and can decide the fight long before the first round bell, its not a definite thing and not all CWs are the same because the effect of the CW is different for every fighter, this forum loves to lump things together like its the same when its all not the same.

If you actually research JMM Pac and Floyd in regard to weight with all known data, not forum BS but factual weights and measures, there was always only a swing in weight between them of 2-5 pounds across 4 divisions.

[Thraxox]

Bull****, grown men don't get zits all over their back and chest in their mid 30s unless they had a specific condition. Manny had anabolic properties alright.

Dont go lying around with that ****. Pacquiao had never grown zits on his back. It was Marquez who was growing in his late thirties in the third and fourth fight with manny. Revisioning history i would say you lying f l o mo.

[pasawayako]

Even floyd outweigh marquez with 15-20lbs but didn't use PEDS i think the fight would had been more competetive.

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Even floyd outweigh marquez with 15-20lbs but didn't use PEDS i think the fight would had been more competetive.

Youre an idiot that don't even know youre an idiot, but then again idiots don't so now you know !

[pasawayako]

Youre an idiot that don't even know youre an idiot, but then again idiots don't so now you know !

Hahaha don't get mad. It was marquez who says that floyd outweigh him that much which is very clear to see, they are like david vS goliath in the ring. And don't get mad about the IV's. next time tell floyd to use them more secretly so that no one will know that he's using it to mask the PEDS.

[travestyny]

Dont go lying around with that ****. Pacquiao had never grown zits on his back. It was Marquez who was growing in his late thirties in the third and fourth fight with manny. Revisioning history i would say you lying f l o mo.

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Maybe this is what he's referring to.