Is Marquez-Floyd the same as ggg-brook?

[GhostofDempsey]

The fact still remains : A Welterweight lifted GGG off his feet.

Yes, a welterweight who walks around at 175 pounds.

[BrometheusBob.]

Pretty similar but not identical.

Two indisputable facts:
-Brook had one top 10 win in his career up to that point, Marquez was rated amongst the top few P4P fighters.

-GGG is a natural MW but Mayweather is not a natural WW.

[GhostofDempsey]

People are comparing Floyd fighting the #2 p4p fighter in the world after a layoff....to GGG fighting Brook who wasn't even really considered #2 in his own division as the same thing? Is that what I'm gathering from this thread?

Brook was comparably more of a risk. He walks around at 175 lbs. he is a very large WW. Marquez came up from 135, and Floyd didn't make weight for a catch weight that he demanded. Floyd had all of the advantages. JMM was drinking his own urine in preparation for that fight. Look at the size difference when they are in the ring. Marquez looks like a child in the ring with Floyd, Brook actually looks bigger in the shoulders and upper body than GGG.

[BrometheusBob.]

Brook was comparably more of a risk. He walks around at 175 lbs. he is a very large WW. Marquez came up from 135, and Floyd didn't make weight for a catch weight that he demanded. Floyd had all of the advantages. JMM was drinking his own urine in preparation for that fight. Look at the size difference when they are in the ring. Marquez looks like a child in the ring with Floyd, Brook actually looks bigger in the shoulders and upper body than GGG.

Not really. Mayweather was only a 3.5/1 favorite whereas GGG opened at 7/1. To put that in perspective, Mayweather was a 7/1 favorite to beat Carlos Baldomir . That's the level of threat Brook posed according to the betting public.

And by no means does Brook look bigger than GGG in any sense.

[GhostofDempsey]

Not really. Mayweather was only a 3.5/1 favorite whereas GGG opened at 7/1. To put that in perspective, Mayweather was a 7/1 favorite to beat Carlos Baldomir . That's the level of threat Brook posed according to the betting public.

And by no means does Brook look bigger than GGG in any sense.

We can't use Marquez' P4P status for credibility. The odds aren't an accurate assessment either. Marquez was a household name because of his scraps with Manny, Brook didn't have that marquee status, so odds were steeper for him. Mayweather refused to be weighed on the day of the fight for obvious reasons. He is considerably larger than JMM in comparison to GGG/Brook.

Brook is a very large WW and defeated Porter, another large WW who started his boxing career as a MW. Brook walked around heavier than GGG prior to their fight.

[Robbie Barrett]

"Lou DiBella has no problem admitting that Gennady Golovkin is simply too dangerous for Sergio Martinez to face when the Argentinean returns in 2014."

http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/6/30/4480402/gennady-golovkin-wont-be-sergio-martinezs-next-fight-says-dibella

Martinez is class, I don't blame him for getting a payday against Cotto at the end of his career, but everyone knows what happened. Cotto was even worse, paid him off to duck him. Pathetic.

When was Golovkin going to fight Lou Dibella?

Martinez never turned down Golovkin. Came out of Loefflers own mouth. How can he have ducked?

[therealpugilist]

Marquez back was a super featherweight movimg up to lightweight after being defeated by pacman. Then he beats casamayor for the unified lightweight. And then floyd pulls him up over 2 divisions to fight at the welterweight catchweight of 145 which floyd missed. Then the size difference was seen in the ring with floyd 2 inches taller and 5-10 pounds heavier fighf night. While ggg brook fight night was one inch taller and outweighed ggg by a pound.

Now does ggg get the same credit of beating brook like what floyd did to marquez?

they both should get the same credit....the situations are not exactly the same

1)Marquez turned pro at 126....floyd at 130...only 4 pounds apart....both fought majority of their pro fights at 140 and below

2).they fought when they were both past prime in their 30s at welter

3) JMM and Marquez are all time greats, actually unified titles, and won lineal titles......GGG and Brook are trinket holders

4) 2 all time greats fighting each other> two titlists fighting each other


GGG was a career middleweight fighting a career welterweight

[Kigali]

Yes, a welterweight who walks around at 175 pounds.

Still a WW.

[Kigali]

Brook was comparably more of a risk. He walks around at 175 lbs. he is a very large WW. Marquez came up from 135, and Floyd didn't make weight for a catch weight that he demanded. Floyd had all of the advantages. JMM was drinking his own urine in preparation for that fight. Look at the size difference when they are in the ring. Marquez looks like a child in the ring with Floyd, Brook actually looks bigger in the shoulders and upper body than GGG.

Give it up Adolph Jr

JMM stayed at WW and KO'd Manny

Brook did not stay at MW....he's barely scoring KO's at WW

[Kigali]

Pacquiao ducked Mosley because he was "too good", Mosley was ranked 2 or 3 P4P, lots of people were saying Mayweather wouldn't fight him. After he did everyone said it meant nothing, same old story.