Comments Thread For: Is Lomachenko The Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter in Boxing?

[Shadoww702]

Back to back? Funny how you exclude the Walters fight which happened between those two you named

Probably because Garcia looked like crap against Peterson and should have lost to Herrera. Porter also has no big wins himself. Both are good wins, and I think Thurman deserves credit but no way in hell is he in the top 5, or even 8 IMO.

Who's Walters???

I'm looking at all the P4P lists and I don't see his name at all??? Also I don't see him at all in ANY major belt rankings??


Here's the list of ALL 4. Can you please pick him out for me???

The rankings are at F@ghtnews .com

[aboutfkntime]

If everything was equal, he would school everybody except probably Rigo.

and maybe Ward

green

[aboutfkntime]

he is a special talent no question

[Shadoww702]

Gamboa was tiny for Crawford. Take that name away due to size, just like GGG does not get credit for Brook, and all Crawford has left on his resumé is Victor Postol. I would definitely take wins over GRJ and Walters over just a win over Postol. Even if you put Postol on the same level as GRJ and Walters, which is iffy, it's still two good wins compared to just one for Crawford.

And yet losses don't mean sht to you...

[MDPopescu]

Back to back? Funny how you exclude the Walters fight which happened between those two you named

Probably because Garcia looked like crap against Peterson and should have lost to Herrera. Porter also has no big wins himself. Both are good wins, and I think Thurman deserves credit but no way in hell is he in the top 5, or even 8 IMO.

^^^ ... Right...

Green K sent!

[Shadoww702]

Not this SHT again!!!

Gary Russel TALKS more about boxing then he does boxing. The guy fights 1x a year and then RETIRES! Don't believe me??? Look it up.

Walters is a BS QUITTER! Who got away with bullying much much smaller guys. He blooms up to FULL WW. Yey Loma fans want to SUK his dic to make that POS good. *** WALTERS! He SUKS. The NEXT time he fights against a good opponent I'll BET ANY of you LomaTARDS Walters LOSSES!

[Shadoww702]

He has got to do more than beat an inactive borderline great Walters and an unproven borderline great Russell jr to beincluded on the P4P list.

And he has to avenge the loss to Salido. And while we are at, stop with the "Salido is ducking the rematch"

Try "Once again, Top Rank isn't offering the guy who won the first time winner-type money" instead.

There was a time when he thought a rematch against Orlando Salido was basically a done deal. Ultimately, though, Salido turned down the bout because he wanted more money than he was offered by Lomachenko’s promoter, Top Rank Inc.

http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenko-little-disappointed-he-not-fighting-salido-next--113807

Same reason we didn't get Marquez vs Pac V is why we aren't getting Siri vs Loma 2. Bob Arum won't pay the guy HE NEEDS AND WHO DOESN'T NEED HIM THE MONEY ASKED FOR IN A REMATCH.

And before you say Siri is purposely pricing himself too high...he doesn't need the rematch, Loma does.

When a guy beats your fighter, a smart promoter knows he can't easily dictate the winner's purse for a rematch.

Siri deserves whatever he asks for within reason.

And Arum should pay for that.

EXACTLY! And why didn't Loma offer some of his money like he did for Walters???

"Salido is being offered less than what former World Boxing Organization super-featherweight champion Rocky Martinez was paid (around $525,000) to fight Lomachenko"

Loma makes at LEAST $800K-$1,000,000 a fight.

Salido has WAY more fans and brings the MexiCANS who actually PAY!!! Unlike those Euro BUMS!

[Shadoww702]

The concept of “Pound-for-Pound” is based on what a fighter has done recently and it includes only a sample consisting of a fighter's résumé over the course of the last 2-3 years or so. It also isn't just who they're beating but how they're doing it and how they're consistently looking in their performances. Are they willing to challenge themselves, looking to fight the best and taking on all-comers as well? All of this should get factored in along with the age old “eye test” to roughly estimate their current perceived ability and how much upside they've got to hold the top spot. Fighters should be dropped from the P4P Top 10 rankings if they're completely inactive for a year or longer, or, if they haven't been fighting top flight competition (legitimate Top 10 opponents) in their division regularly enough.

Now, Loma was already ranked fringe Top 5 P4P or there within the Top 5 P4P across the board, the elite of the elite, before he thoroughly outclassed, beat up and stopped Sosa on his way to a shutout to really nobody's surprise last Saturday night. The difference between a fighter widely ranked as a P4P player in the Top 5 region and the #1 spot at this time isn't a big gap to close for any of them. All of those Top 5 P4P elites have a case and that includes Lomachenko, who is currently ranked #6 by The Ring (hasn't been updated since last month, Loma can only go up or stay put), #6 by the TBRB, #3 by ESPN (hasn't been updated since GGG last fought, Loma can only go up or stay put) and #4 by BoxRec. Average that out, mean or median, and you'll find that he's a consensus Top 5 rated fighter across the board. Mean average = 3 + 4 + 6 + 6 = 19 ÷ 4 = 4.75 (round up to 5). Median average = 4 + 6 = 10 ÷ 2 = 5. Simple arithmetic. Even if we exclude BoxRec's currently laughable P4P rankings (Canelo is still #1? SMH) and just go with The Ring's, the TBRB's & ESPN's then you'll still end up with a mean average of 5; 3 + 6 + 6 = 15 ÷ 3 = 5. He's been a Top 5 P4P ranked fighter here on BoxingScene as well (at #5) since beating Martinez the way he did to secure his second major world title in another division.

It's now been slightly over 3 years since he lost that highly controversial Split Decision to Salido at Featherweight in his second recognized pro fight (by BoxRec & Fight Fax). That fight was scored a Draw by both ESPN and The Ring's PBP's, it was a close fight. Loma was previously the consensus #1 ranked fighter in the Featherweight division and since moving up and smashing Martinez then humiliating Walters, in that order, he became the consensus #1 ranked fighter as well at Junior Lightweight, all in under 10 pro fights to his name. His “fastest man to win a major world title in the fewest number of fights” at 3 he tied the world record for and then broke Inoue's historic world record for becoming the “fastest man to win a major world title in two divisions” in just 7 fights (Inoue did it in 8). These world records that he set are now official as of last summer at the ABC's annual conference, which I posted a thread about a short while back.

While Loma hasn't become (or beaten) a lineal champion yet, or even become a unified titlist, you don't have to be in order to be the consensus #1 ranked fighter in your division. If these other titleholders would step up and fight him then he'd have a very high chance of becoming a unified titleholder in the division and even the legitimate lineal champ if he beat the clear #2 fighter, who in this case is Corrales (WBA “Super” titlist). He'd be heavily favored to beat Corrales, though not as widely as he was against Sosa. Even against a much bigger, stronger, more powerful and respectively skilled top fighter in Mikey Garcia, viewed by many as the #1 fighter a division north at Lightweight and a Top 10'ish P4P guy, Lomachenko would be favored, even if only slightly. Money talk$ and so do skills. The house and bookies don't like losing money, not even a little bit.

Lomachenko was calculated after beating Walters as the hardest fighter in the world to beat at the moment by The Fight Game's P4P list rundown with CompuBox stats & his performances to back it up. The last episode I watched from late last year quite accurately predicted what was ahead for the rest of the pack. He's the CompuBox +/- list leader and the highest rated fighter since Floyd. That's not the only important statistical category that he's the leader in, either. What's also important, the guy has not lost a single round in what will be 3 years by the time he fights next. He dropped a few rounds while coasting to Gary Russell Jr., but since then, clear back in June of 2014, he hasn't lost a single round and has destroyed, outclassed and/or humiliated everyone in his path across two divisions including Russell Jr. (now the WBC's FW titleholder).

From beating Gary Russell Jr. for the vacant WBO FW world title up to this point he's rattled off 7 straight victories across two divisions and stopped 5 of his opponents in the process. All of these wins were in full world title fights and 90% of his fights have in fact been world title fights. He defended his Featherweight WBO crown 3×, moved up, immediately fought and very impressively beat the WBO Junior Lightweight titleholder and now he has 2 notable title defenses toward his WBO Junior Lightweight crown. He's accomplished all of this in only his last 7 fights. BoxRec, for example, only looks at the last 6 bouts on a fighter's recent record. He's likely about to move up again to seek much bigger challenges (Garcia, Linares, etc) and continue to fight the best opponents that are willing to face him. He only wants titleholders from here on out, something that he told Arum after toying with Sosa in an absolute masterclass boxing clinic.

I tried reading your FLUFF Piece but just couldn't. According to you he is a HOFAMER and the best Boxer EVER!!! Next time take his balls out of your mouth and try being less biased...IMO

[Shadoww702]

he is a special talent no question

Tru! But his fans are going to be 10x WORSE than P@cTards and GGGTards. I mean sht they still don't accept he lost to Salido. Isn't denial the 1st step of addiction??

[koolkc107]

EXACTLY! And why didn't Loma offer some of his money like he did for Walters???

"Salido is being offered less than what former World Boxing Organization super-featherweight champion Rocky Martinez was paid (around $525,000) to fight Lomachenko"

Loma makes at LEAST $800K-$1,000,000 a fight.

Salido has WAY more fans and brings the MexiCANS who actually PAY!!! Unlike those Euro BUMS!

I like Loma, I really enjoy watching him fight.

But we can't just ignore the elephants in the room.

And here's another one Lomachumpians don't wanna hear:

Siri drew more viewers against Vargas than Loma did against Sosa, or Walters, or Russell jr.

And the only time Loma DID TOP 1M viewers...he was fighting Siri.

Pay the man, Shirley -er- Flappy Bob. ,