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P4P: How it works & Loma's case for the top spot
The concept of “Pound-for-Pound” is based on what a fighter has done recently and it includes only a sample consisting of a fighter's résumé over the course of the last 2-3 years or so. It also isn't just who they're beating but how they're doing it and how they're consistently looking in their performances. Are they willing to challenge themselves, looking to fight the best and taking on all-comers as well? All of this should get factored in along with the age old “eye test” to roughly estimate their current perceived ability and how much upside they've got to hold the top spot. Fighters should be dropped from the P4P Top 10 rankings if they're completely inactive for a year or longer, or, if they haven't been fighting top flight competition (legitimate Top 10 opponents) in their division regularly enough.
Now, Loma was already ranked fringe Top 5 P4P or there within the Top 5 P4P across the board, the elite of the elite, before he thoroughly outclassed, beat up and stopped Sosa on his way to a shutout to really nobody's surprise last Saturday night. The difference between a fighter widely ranked as a P4P player in the Top 5 region and the #1 spot at this time isn't a big gap to close for any of them. All of those Top 5 P4P elites have a case and that includes Lomachenko, who is currently ranked #6 by The Ring (hasn't been updated since last month, Loma can only go up or stay put), #6 by the TBRB, #3 by ESPN (hasn't been updated since GGG last fought, Loma can only go up or stay put) and #4 by BoxRec. Average that out, mean or median, and you'll find that he's a consensus Top 5 rated fighter across the board. Mean average = 3 + 4 + 6 + 6 = 19 ÷ 4 = 4.75 (round up to 5). Median average = 4 + 6 = 10 ÷ 2 = 5. Simple arithmetic. Even if we exclude BoxRec's currently laughable P4P rankings (Canelo is still #1? SMH) and just go with The Ring's, the TBRB's & ESPN's then you'll still end up with a mean average of 5; 3 + 6 + 6 = 15 ÷ 3 = 5. He's been a Top 5 P4P ranked fighter here on BoxingScene as well (at #5) since beating Martinez the way he did to secure his second major world title in another division.
It's now been slightly over 3 years since he lost that highly controversial Split Decision to Salido at Featherweight in his second recognized pro fight (by BoxRec & Fight Fax). That fight was scored a Draw by both ESPN and The Ring's PBP's, it was a close fight. Loma was previously the consensus #1 ranked fighter in the Featherweight division and since moving up and smashing Martinez then humiliating Walters, in that order, he became the consensus #1 ranked fighter as well at Junior Lightweight, all in under 10 pro fights to his name. His “fastest man to win a major world title in the fewest number of fights” at 3 he tied the world record for and then broke Inoue's historic world record for becoming the “fastest man to win a major world title in two divisions” in just 7 fights (Inoue did it in 8). These world records that he set are now official as of last summer at the ABC's annual conference, which I posted a thread about a short while back.
While Loma hasn't become (or beaten) a lineal champion yet, or even become a unified titlist, you don't have to be in order to be the consensus #1 ranked fighter in your division. If these other titleholders would step up and fight him then he'd have a very high chance of becoming a unified titleholder in the division and even the legitimate lineal champ if he beat the clear #2 fighter, who in this case is Corrales (WBA “Super” titlist). He'd be heavily favored to beat Corrales, though not as widely as he was against Sosa. Even against a much bigger, stronger, more powerful and respectively skilled top fighter in Mikey Garcia, viewed by many as the #1 fighter a division north at Lightweight and a Top 10'ish P4P guy, Lomachenko would be favored, even if only slightly. Money talk$ and so do skills. The house and bookies don't like losing money, not even a little bit.
Lomachenko was calculated after beating Walters as the hardest fighter in the world to beat at the moment by The Fight Game's P4P list rundown with CompuBox stats & his performances to back it up. The last episode I watched from late last year quite accurately predicted what was ahead for the rest of the pack. He's the CompuBox +/- list leader and the highest rated fighter since Floyd. That's not the only important statistical category that he's the leader in, either. What's also important, the guy has not lost a single round in what will be 3 years by the time he fights next. He dropped a few rounds while coasting to Gary Russell Jr., but since then, clear back in June of 2014, he hasn't lost a single round and has destroyed, outclassed and/or humiliated everyone in his path across two divisions including Russell Jr. (now the WBC's FW titleholder).
From beating Gary Russell Jr. for the vacant WBO FW world title up to this point he's rattled off 7 straight victories across two divisions and stopped 5 of his opponents in the process. All of these wins were in full world title fights and 90% of his fights have in fact been world title fights. He defended his Featherweight WBO crown 3×, moved up, immediately fought and very impressively beat the WBO Junior Lightweight titleholder and now he has 2 notable title defenses toward his WBO Junior Lightweight crown. He's accomplished all of this in only his last 7 fights. BoxRec, for example, only looks at the last 6 bouts on a fighter's recent record. He's likely about to move up again to seek much bigger challenges (Garcia, Linares, etc) and continue to fight the best opponents that are willing to face him. He only wants titleholders from here on out, something that he told Arum after toying with Sosa in an absolute masterclass boxing clinic.Last edited by Pugilisticuffs; 04-15-2017, 04:33 AM.Comment
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He's had like 10 fights how can he be no1?
Try doing what your doing for 30 odd fiughts like GGG andkov ward then maybe.
Yes His performance again st Walters was good. But that was one fight. How do we know Walters didn't have off night.
I'm not saying he needs 30 fights to prove himself. He passes eye test noiw, but at least beat a couple of great fighters first, rather than go route oif proving yourself over 39 fiughtsLast edited by hugh grant; 04-15-2017, 04:53 AM.Comment
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P4P is about what you've done lately. It doesn't go back more than 3 years max. The reason it doesn't is because fighters can change, for better or worse, over that time span. An active fighter fights 2x a year. A very active fighter can fight 3-4x a year, typically 2-3x a year if they're an active world champion/titleholder. You don't look that far back, it's recent accomplishments and how you've looked (spectacular & consistent?) in your fights over that 2-3 year period of time.Last edited by Pugilisticuffs; 04-15-2017, 05:48 AM.Comment
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he's pretty much number 1 on my list. he makes good fighters like walters russell jr martinez and sosa look like complete novices.Comment
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He has got to do more than beat an inactive borderline great Walters and an unproven borderline great Russell jr to beincluded on the P4P list.
And he has to avenge the loss to Salido. And while we are at, stop with the "Salido is ducking the rematch"
Try "Once again, Top Rank isn't offering the guy who won the first time winner-type money" instead.
There was a time when he thought a rematch against Orlando Salido was basically a done deal. Ultimately, though, Salido turned down the bout because he wanted more money than he was offered by Lomachenko’s promoter, Top Rank Inc.
Same reason we didn't get Marquez vs Pac V is why we aren't getting Siri vs Loma 2. Bob Arum won't pay the guy HE NEEDS AND WHO DOESN'T NEED HIM THE MONEY ASKED FOR IN A REMATCH.
And before you say Siri is purposely pricing himself too high...he doesn't need the rematch, Loma does.
When a guy beats your fighter, a smart promoter knows he can't easily dictate the winner's purse for a rematch.
Siri deserves whatever he asks for within reason.
And Arum should pay for that.Comment
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Salido is fighting some Thai scrub named Amphon Suriyo next in Mexico.He has got to do more than beat an inactive borderline great Walters and an unproven borderline great Russell jr to beincluded on the P4P list.
And he has to avenge the loss to Salido. And while we are at, stop with the "Salido is ducking the rematch"
Try "Once again, Top Rank isn't offering the guy who won the first time winner-type money" instead.
There was a time when he thought a rematch against Orlando Salido was basically a done deal. Ultimately, though, Salido turned down the bout because he wanted more money than he was offered by Lomachenko’s promoter, Top Rank Inc.
Same reason we didn't get Marquez vs Pac V is why we aren't getting Siri vs Loma 2. Bob Arum won't pay the guy HE NEEDS AND WHO DOESN'T NEED HIM THE MONEY ASKED FOR IN A REMATCH.
And before you say Siri is purposely pricing himself too high...he doesn't need the rematch, Loma does.
When a guy beats your fighter, a smart promoter knows he can't easily dictate the winner's purse for a rematch.
Siri deserves whatever he asks for within reason.
And Arum should pay for that.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/576476
I'm sure that fight will offer him a larger purse compared to a rematch with Lomachenko. Salido doesn't want the rematch. His bluff was called and then he asked for even more money after Arum came through with what they asked for last time.Comment
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No. Not even in the top 5.Comment
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See the difference between your post and my post?
I include a link saying exactly what I am talking about.
You include a link completely irrelevant in addressing what I talked about.
Who cares who Siri is fighting next or how much that is paying.
There is an amount he wants to fight Loma.
Top Rank WILL NOT PAY IT.
That is why we do not have a rematch.
Period.
You can spin that any way you like except we know that TR is notorious for doing things like lowballing rematch offers to fighters who manage to beat their marquee names fair and square.
They lowball their own fighters if they refuse to sign extensions.
But, you go ahead and feel free to think whatever you like.
It won't change the fact that TR can make the fight anytime they like if they become willing to pay Siri what he wants.
Here's an article that explains the whole deal.
http://www.******.com/462401-lomache...ks-get-uglier/
They were trying to lowball him with an offer of $500,000. This, when they offered Martinez $525,000.
They will pay over half a million for a belt but they want to pay LESS to the guy that has a W over them?
Me, I'm for a guy who earned the right to a big payday ACTUALLY GETTING THAT PAYDAY.
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