Comments Thread For: Chavez Jr. Rips Canelo: Gave Away His Belt, Lied About Weight

[bluepete]

Wasn't Calzaghe a British domestic fighter as well as Eubank?

You don't see a triangle coincidence from the WBO, GBP, Warren, and K2?

Warren ain't doing any other promoters favors. They've got the WBO! Whoever wants it gotta pay! So how do you get a council, the WBO, that's shown up scaling favors such as for Top Rank, wouldn't know scheme of things? Beat Smith and get the 154 WBO. Then the 154 Champion has leverage going up within the same council? It's been a war for which promoter pays Warren what he wants.

You're saying Alvarez went "up" as if Chavez Jr. Could make anything less than that? Jr. came in at 168 against Britsch without high level training or Nacho. If the Chavez family felt it were impossible they wouldn't have taken it. All it meant was that Chavez Jr. would have to work harder, pure hustle. The catch is justified. Anything higher would be in favor for Chavez Jr. and fans would complain that Alvarez is going north avoiding 160 even though Marquez weighed 142 against PAC in a full limit sanctioned 147 bout. Do you think Alvarez will bottle to 164.5?! I'm thinking he will come in at 161

This catch has nothing to do with 160. It has to do with the recovery of Alvarez losing his battle to All Star which was inevitable. 8.4 mill isn't chump change to lose. One could say "well then why didn't he fight GGG if he needed the money?" As we see K2 has a different set of rules in making a fight happen

All last year all we heard was Canelo would have to gradually move up to middle as he's body adjusted. In truth, in any real fight he wouldn't be able to perform properly at 154 anymore because he'd be too depleted. Unless the other guy was at a disadvantage. Smith was at the disadvantage of being a domestic level fighter, with domestic level talent. Nowhere near the level of fighter that Eubank and Calzaghe clearly were going by just the eye test alone. Now we find that Canelo has no problem fighting at the weight, not only that, but he feels much better at it. And he's happy to fight a guy much bigger who according even to you should perform well even above the division that Canelo was too small for. That's the point I was making.

[Lester Tutor]

All last year all we heard was Canelo would have to gradually move up to middle as he's body adjusted. In truth, in any real fight he wouldn't be able to perform properly at 154 anymore because he'd be too depleted. Unless the other guy was at a disadvantage. Smith was at the disadvantage of being a domestic level fighter, with domestic level talent. Nowhere near the level of fighter that Eubank and Calzaghe clearly were going by just the eye test alone. Now we find that Canelo has no problem fighting at the weight, not only that, but he feels much better at it. And he's happy to fight a guy much bigger who according even to you should perform well even above the division that Canelo was too small for. That's the point I was making.

What do you mean he has "no problem fighting at that weight? You referring to the catch between Alvarez and Chavez Jr? The problem is that many boxing fans are influenced by the theories of others and roll with it. Let me provide you some circumstances...

Chavez Jr. and Alvarez have been fighting as Mexican highlight youths the same way Marco Antonio Barrera started at 15... their culture is knee deep in it as you know. Chavez Jr. has always had the star power advantage and loyal fan base from the family name alone. Many Mexican states are divided. Even when Alvarez became WBC 154 champ he wasn't nearly as big as Chavez Jr., and no pun intended. Their bad blood dates even before 2010.

The difference between these two has always been about their division gap. One was a Middleweight and the other a Light Middleweight... these guys cross would eventually meet. Would you like them to have met earlier or 4 years later from now? What difference would it make?

So the question is, what weight would you have them meet? We got a guy who went up to a 172 catch against Fonfara, a top 5 LHW at the time. Do you think Alvarez who has never fought at 160 would do anything between the middle of Middleweight to Super Middleweight? Alvarez said after beating Cotto, Q4 2015 that he wasn't ready for 160. That was almost 2 years ago. Dude had to drop his shorts for the Liam bout just to acquire the WBO with leverage going northbound. Besides that, 160 has been on the table for Glolovkin since 2016.

Just think rationally, what weight could you make the Chavez Jr. Vs Alvarez bout? This is the essence of a catchweight and even better it's not even a title bout unlike Pacquiao who thrived on catchweight title bouts on a silver platter.

People like to bring in the context that Alvarez is fighting Chavez Jr. because he is a liar hat he couldn't make 160. Nobody gives him the benefit of doubt that it's a catchweight. It's not a "caneloweight."

[bluepete]

What do you mean he has "no problem fighting at that weight? You referring to the catch between Alvarez and Chavez Jr? The problem is that many boxing fans are influenced by the theories of others and roll with it. Let me provide you some circumstances...

Chavez Jr. and Alvarez have been fighting as Mexican highlight youths the same way Marco Antonio Barrera started at 15... their culture is knee deep in it as you know. Chavez Jr. has always had the star power advantage and loyal fan base from the family name alone. Many Mexican states are divided. Even when Alvarez became WBC 154 champ he wasn't nearly as big as Chavez Jr., and no pun intended. Their bad blood dates even before 2010.

The difference between these two has always been about their division gap. One was a Middleweight and the other a Light Middleweight... these guys cross would eventually meet. Would you like them to have met earlier or 4 years later from now? What difference would it make?

So the question is, what weight would you have them meet? We got a guy who went up to a 172 catch against Fonfara, a top 5 LHW at the time. Do you think Alvarez who has never fought at 160 would do anything between the middle of Middleweight to Super Middleweight? Alvarez said after beating Cotto, Q4 2015 that he wasn't ready for 160. That was almost 2 years ago. Dude had to drop his shorts for the Liam bout just to acquire the WBO with leverage going northbound. Besides that, 160 has been on the table for Glolovkin since 2016.

Just think rationally, what weight could you make the Chavez Jr. Vs Alvarez bout? This is the essence of a catchweight and even better it's not even a title bout unlike Pacquiao who thrived on catchweight title bouts on a silver platter.

People like to bring in the context that Alvarez is fighting Chavez Jr. because he is a liar hat he couldn't make 160. Nobody gives him the benefit of doubt that it's a catchweight. It's not a "caneloweight."

I think you've completly misunderstood where I'm coming from. I'm not saying he shouldn't find a catchweight with Chavez. I'm saying that before he dropped the belt at middle and went back to 154 we were told he wasn't ready for middle because he's body needed time to adjust to it. He was ready for middle then and instead of making up a Canelo weight he should have followed what nature was telling him, to embrace middle. The only fight since the Canelo weight days he made 154 for was Smith. Who's not a world class fighter. Why? Because Canelo is too depleted at 154 to fight a high level fight. Therefore hes been a middle for a while. He feels better now heavier, and he would've then also. That's where he shouldve been campaigning. Instead of dropping down to skeleton levels for Smith.Meaningless because he's not fighting Saunders anyway.

[Lester Tutor]

I think you've completly misunderstood where I'm coming from. I'm not saying he shouldn't find a catchweight with Chavez. I'm saying that before he dropped the belt at middle and went back to 154 we were told he wasn't ready for middle because he's body needed time to adjust to it. He was ready for middle then and instead of making up a Canelo weight he should have followed what nature was telling him, to embrace middle. The only fight since the Canelo weight days he made 154 for was Smith. Who's not a world class fighter. Why? Because Canelo is too depleted at 154 to fight a high level fight. Therefore hes been a middle for a while. He feels better now heavier, and he would've then also. That's where he shouldve been campaigning. Instead of dropping down to skeleton levels for Smith.Meaningless because he's not fighting Saunders anyway.

The 155 bouts he wasn't a Champion. These fights included Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland. These were non title bouts. Cotto accepted the fight with Alvarez. We don't need theorize why they chose less than 160 for that Lineal title. Amir Khan already fighting at 147 wanted game at 155 for a shot at the Lineal. Again, the limit. The WBC's second sanctioned bout. Smith, the last of the Mohicans as you said for Alvarez, we all agree. Again, for WBO leverage it had to be at 154. That's not Alvarez's call for anything different since it's a limit rule. The point for that is a strap. BJS already had the 160 WBO. This could've been a goal path between Warren and GBP since BJS in 2016 was already mentioning Alvarez. One could theorize GBP was playing Warren's game to fight one of his stable at 154 to get to Saunders.

Aside from any of this. Golovkin is set in stone to wanting to fight Floyd or PAC at 154 but not Alvarez when Nelo called him out for 155 after winning Cotto's strap. Alvarez is 26. To say when he has been ready for 160 is all speculation. Either you take his word or don't

The narrative isn't about when Alvarez was ready. The narrative is when the fight gets made and K2 agrees.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Canelo is a fraud!

[Chuckguy]

JR is stating facts but both are hypocrites.

See this is it exactly but idiots like big dummy will come out blinded by the co ck in his mouth and jizz in his eyes. Chavez doesn't have room to talk but it doesn't mean he isn't stating facts because he is

[Chuckguy]

The 155 bouts he wasn't a Champion. These fights included Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland. These were non title bouts. Cotto accepted the fight with Alvarez. We don't need theorize why they chose less than 160 for that Lineal title. Amir Khan already fighting at 147 wanted game at 155 for a shot at the Lineal. Again, the limit. The WBC's second sanctioned bout. Smith, the last of the Mohicans as you said for Alvarez, we all agree. Again, for WBO leverage it had to be at 154. That's not Alvarez's call for anything different since it's a limit rule. The point for that is a strap. BJS already had the 160 WBO. This could've been a goal path between Warren and GBP since BJS in 2016 was already mentioning Alvarez. One could theorize GBP was playing Warren's game to fight one of his stable at 154 to get to Saunders.

Aside from any of this. Golovkin is set in stone to wanting to fight Floyd or PAC at 154 but not Alvarez when Nelo called him out for 155 after winning Cotto's strap. Alvarez is 26. To say when he has been ready for 160 is all speculation. Either you take his word or don't

The narrative isn't about when Alvarez was ready. The narrative is when the fight gets made and K2 agrees.

Your post is debunked by cantnelo willing to fight Chavez jr at 164.5 but why not fight ggg at 160? You can't have it both ways fawking ******

[sterilizer]

Yup the shot about I don't need to sing to be famous was clearly aimed at Oscar who did a album years ago as a fighter. Still bitter that Oscar whooped his daddy and made him quit, like father like son. Both the Chavez's can't get over that loss. Bitter bytches. LMAO

FYI

DLH lost to Pacquiao (DLH quit on stool end of 8th round) when he was 35, in his decline, and Manny was 30 and peaking.

DLH defeated Chavez Sr (quit on stool end of 8th round) when he was 25 and peaking, while Chavez Sr. was 36, in his decline.

See the irony in these facts?

Both fighters, Chavez Sr. and De la Hoya, are known for having alcohol and drug abuse issues, therefore they became past-prime and shot very soon, to be able to stand up to the new fighting sensations.

Bottom line: you are disrespecting Chavez Sr., who is a boxing legend every bit as much as the likes of Duran. Go on to Wikipedia and check his resume, learn something before calling a legendary fighter, for several years rated the best P4P fighter, and who holds a bunch of world records regarding boxing that no one else has matched, a b itch. That's just ridiculous. In his time, he was the best, period. When he fought De la Hoya he was way past his time and he was already an alcoholic and drug addict.

[Lester Tutor]

Your post is debunked by cantnelo willing to fight Chavez jr at 164.5 but why not fight ggg at 160? You can't have it both ways fawking ******

Lol. GBP been waiting for LLL to sign. Can't wait for 154-168 to find his pen. Other prize fights need to happen. Let real prize fighters do their thing. LLL can stay injured and sucker his fans. . As if Chavez Jr. could any lower than 165

[Mr. Luthor]

Not attacking him at all. The money makes the fight make sense. Sure he went down to 154 again. But it wasn't to fight a world class fighter. It was to hit a glorified domestic level fighter who was brave and nothing else. In other words it wasnt a real fight where Saul would be tested in any way. The nonsense about having to gradually build up to middle is just that. He says himself he feels much better. That's because he's really a middle. He'll come in just above 160 without looking like a rake for once.

He went down 1 pound back to 154 to win another world title and make millions of dollars, that what most boxers are attempting to do. Building up and gradually working your way through a division, is common place in boxing. Especially when you are only 25 to 26 years old. Canelo has no need to fight at a full 160 until his team feels he is ready. He's not a 35 yr old boxer on the back end of his career.