Loma In Perspective

[koolkc107]

Let me preface this by saying I think Lomachenko is a very good fighter who well could be on his way to being an ATG.

The signs are just too good to ignore and we have concrete proof to go on, not just some eye test.

But with that being said, I think we need to slow down on some (not all) of the hyperbole.

Comparisons to Mayweather especially.

Truth is, Loma hasn't come close to approaching Floyd's level yet and may not for quite some time.

Loma has won two titles in two different weight classes from age 25.75 to age 29. One was a vacant title.

Here are the names he has defeated: Jose Ramirez, Gary Russell Jr, Chonlatam Piriyapinyo, Gamelier Rodriguez, Romulo Koasicha, Roman Martinez, Nicholas Walters, and Jason Sosa.

And he has one loss to Orlando Salido.

At around the same age and for about the same timespan Floyd fights and defeats the following men: Jose Luis Castillo, Victoriano Sosa, Philip N'Dou, Demarcus Corley, Henry Bruselles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, and Zab Judah.

Floyd wins 3 titles in 3 different weightclasses during that time. And he defends a lineal title 3 times as well.

So, to sum up.

At around the same age, Mayweather ahead of Loma in two areas- titles in different weightclasses and lineals.

And I doubt there is much argument as to who is doing what against tougher competition.

But, feel free to make one if you like.

I may do a similar analysis of Pernell Whitaker at the same age somewhere later in this thread.

But for now, take my word for it- the comparison of Vasyl's record against Sweet Pea's is EVEN WORSE than against Floyd's.

Again, I am a big Loma fan and I can't wait to see him fight again.

But, he hasn't shown me that he is that upper echelon guy just yet.

[Vegemil]

Mayweather was a boss without a doubt. I hate to say it because I think it's a mismatch but he probably has to fight Garcia to make his own legacy.

[Ray*]

As much as I love Loma I would hate to compare him to Mayweather at any stage of their careers, when he is done with his career then it would be easier to do that.

[gmc_rfc_06]

People just need to stop with Mayweather comparisons, let fighters walk their individual path.

If you are going to compare, I wouldn't use the 'at the same age' comparison given the difference in age of turning pro. It's completely different.

[koolkc107]

Mayweather was a boss without a doubt. I hate to say it because I think it's a mismatch but he probably has to fight Garcia to make his own legacy.

First thing he needs to do is avenge his loss.

But yeah, he is going to have to beat someone like Garcia before we really begin the talk on just how great he is.

And frankly, I think Loma loses that fight...big.

[koolkc107]

People just need to stop with Mayweather comparisons, let fighters walk their individual path.

If you are going to compare, I wouldn't use the 'at the same age' comparison given the difference in age of turning pro. It's completely different.

Well, yes and no.

I get what you are saying and you may have a point.

But, part of the absurdity of those hyping Loma far too much is the take that he is beating longtime professionals in only his first few fights.

They point to his long amateur career being an adequate equivalent to the first 2 to 4 years of a pro career.

So, in a sense, it is their standard I am using, not yours or necessarily mine.

[gmc_rfc_06]

Well, yes and no.

I get what you are saying and you may have a point.

But, part of the absurdity of those hyping Loma far too much is the take that he is beating longtime professionals in only his first few fights.

They point to his long amateur career being a adequate equivalent to the first 2 to 4 years of a pro career.

So, in a sense, it is their standard I am using, not yours or necessarily mine.

His amateur career is phenomenal, but it's an entirely different game. No amount of amateur fights prepare you for the jump to 12 rounds, a completely different scoring system, etc...

To jump straight into the pro game against top level opposition and make some tremendous fighters look average is special.

When he moves up again and beats Garcia, his position will be clear. Every now and then something special arrives, Lomachenko is that.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Let me preface this by saying I think Lomachenko is a very good fighter who well could be on his way to being an ATG.

The signs are just too good to ignore and we have concrete proof to go on, not just some eye test.

But with that being said, I think we need to slow down on some (not all) of the hyperbole.

Comparisons to Mayweather especially.

Truth is, Loma hasn't come close to approaching Floyd's level yet and may not for quite some time.

Loma has won two titles in two different weight classes from age 25.75 to age 29. One was a vacant title.

Here are the names he has defeated: Jose Ramirez, Gary Russell Jr, Chonlatam Piriyapinyo, Gamelier Rodriguez, Romulo Koasicha, Roman Martinez, Nicholas Walters, and Jason Sosa.

And he has one loss to Orlando Salido.

At around the same age and for about the same timespan Floyd fights and defeats the following men: Jose Luis Castillo, Victoriano Sosa, Philip N'Dou, Demarcus Corley, Henry Bruselles, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, and Zab Judah.

Floyd wins 3 titles in 3 different weightclasses during that time. And he defends a lineal title 3 times as well.

So, to sum up.

At around the same age, Mayweather ahead of Loma in two areas- titles in different weightclasses and lineals.

And I doubt there is much argument as to who is doing what against tougher competition.

But, feel free to make one if you like.

I may do a similar analysis of Pernell Whitaker at the same age somewhere later in this thread.

But for now, take my word for it- the comparison of Vasyl's record against Sweet Pea's is EVEN WORSE than against Floyd's.

Again, I am a big Loma fan and I can't wait to see him fight again.

But, he hasn't shown me that he is that upper echelon guy just yet.

You really can't compare ages. Loma turned pro at a much later age, unless you're comparing where they were at after the same amount of time as a pro. At the rate he's going, Loma will outdo everybody in their first twenty fights plain and simple. However, I'm not trying to jump on the hype train. He has more proving to do for sure. Only time will tell, but damn. I'm sold so far.

[koolkc107]

His amateur career is phenomenal, but it's an entirely different game. No amount of amateur fights prepare you for the jump to 12 rounds, a completely different scoring system, etc...

To jump straight into the pro game against top level opposition and make some tremendous fighters look average is special.

When he moves up again and beats Garcia, his position will be clear. Every now and then something special arrives, Lomachenko is that.

He is 29 years old. And some of those "amateur" fights were without headgear and scored on the ten point must system- not as huge an adjustment as some try to hype it as.

The comparison is also valid in the sense that 29 is an age when most fighters are a year or two into their prime.

What would be more unfair is to compare a 29 year old veteran to 19 year old kid.

[gmc_rfc_06]

He is 29 years old. And some of those "amateur" fights were without headgear and scored on the ten point must system- not as huge an adjustment as some try to hype it as.

The comparison is also valid in the sense that 29 is an age when most fighters are a year or two into their prime.

What would be more unfair is to compare a 29 year old veteran to 19 year old kid.

He's 29 now, he turned pro 4 years ago.

To jump straight into top level professional boxing is almost unheard of, especially these days. As I said, it's not worth making comparisons when the situations and time lines are so vastly different.