Comments Thread For: Hagler Eventually Wanted No Part of Rematch With Ray Leonard

[MrRolltide91]

“I remember a year later at Caesars, they were having a big dinner......So I went over and I talked to Marvin. And I said, ‘Marvin, Ray asked me to come talk to you about doing the rematch.’ And Marvin looked at me with that scowl that he had. And he said, ‘Tell that guy to get a life.’ So that was it, man. We tried. We tried and there was no use to trying harder. Marvin was having no more of that.”



he waited a whole year before announcing his retirement.... but halger is the one that didnt want the rematch

Lol and then SRL came out of retirement again

[future hendrixx]

prime or not hagler was a caveman compared to leonard skillwise. this is not debatable.

[tokon]

Hagler made some silly decisions in that fight. Boxing orthodox early cost him that contest. When he was in Southpaw stance he dominated the rounds. I've scored it a few times with friends and he lost imo.

Too bad we never got the rematch. I believe he would've boxed southpaw the whole fight and got the W. But leonard was the master of playing promoter games. Just look at the Aaron Pryor situation years before.

Hagler's greed played a large part in losing him that fight as well.

His concessions on ringsize and rounds (12 instead of 15) were decisive.

As Butch said, tactically he made another set of bad decisions by continuing to fight orthodox when it was obviously not working.

[Ray Corso]

prime or not hagler was a caveman compared to leonard skillwise. this is not debatable..............................really?

You need to study a little more.
Hagler is one of boxing best when it comes to pressure using a boxers style! He was not crude in any way and your misinterpreting the "differences" between Leonard and Marvin and thinking that Leonard's outside boxing ability makes him a more polished talent.
Your wrong, if anything Hagler's style is more difficult to perfect.

Ray

[The plunger man]

Leonard waited forever to challenge then he waits over a year to negotiate a rematch contract!
Thats what happened and Hagler told him to fu@& off!

Ray Leonard in the ring was a super talent but Leonard outside the ring is an azzhole!
I met him when he was a young amateur boxer, then he trained at my gym for his 7th or 8th fight in New Haven, then years later when he retired and he was always an
egotistical bore. I'm not talking a strong ego that many fighters show he was more of a snob! Likeable as a kid but a snob none the less.

I had Hagler winner but Leonard's running and pot shooting made it close. Leonard ran like a girl.

Ray

Sounds like deep down you have issues with leonard...,you still cant get over the fact leonard beat hagler....are you a boxing trainer or not because if yiu are you have no concept of the criteria of boxing.....hitting with out getting hit , defence , timing....leonard might be an ******* but thta ******* had 1 fight in 5 years and came back and beat an bigger more active fighter....time you was sent out to pasture ray i'm affraid

[bigjer88]

prime or not hagler was a caveman compared to leonard skillwise. this is not debatable.

You underrate Hagler. Were you alive when he was champ?

[The plunger man]

Funny thing is if you look at the fight it was leonard who won rounds 11,12 and hagler was just as exhautsed as leonard in those closing rounds and hgaler last 2 defences were also 12 rounds fights against hearns and mugabi but because he had lost to sugar ray he made excuses because it was not a 15 round fight...before the fight he said leonard would be stopped.....and it was just for the WBC title ...and the WBC had reduced 15 round contests to 12 rounds 3 years before he faced Leonard...19 out of 21 news reporters picked hagler to win and almost eveybody said leoanrd would be slaughtered....1 fight in 5 years and up against the most feared boxer in the whole of boxing who had not lost for 11 years and was making his 12th defence.....hagler outboxed period

[future hendrixx]

You underrate Hagler. Were you alive when he was champ?

i didn't need to be alive. all of their fights are on youtube. compared to leonard hagler was basic. a nobody. he received a boxing lesson and retired to cry about it. skillwise hopkins is also levels above hagler.

[bigjer88]

i didn't need to be alive. all of their fights are on youtube. compared to leonard hagler was basic. a nobody. he received a boxing lesson and retired to cry about it. skillwise hopkins is also levels above hagler.

Being alive at the time puts it into a perspective that you don't capture from watching it on Youtube. If you were alive at the time and had been following both of their careers as they were unfolding, you would never dismiss Hagler as someone who "retired to cry about it." If you were alive at the time you would know that Hagler had come off some grueling match-ups before this (Mugabi was considered indestructible at the time), chased the rematch for a year, and then hung it up out of frustration before moving to Italy. I'm sure the loss was devastating for him...but for a keyboard warrior to speak so dismissively of a champ like Hagler...and to tell him how he should have handled the loss... That's why it was obvious to me that you hadn't been born when he was champ.

SRL's skills, at his peak, were among the greatest I have ever seen. I was fortunate to be able to witness him at his best. Sure, he was as slick as can be, but he was also mean, and his finishing instincts were amazing.

But Hagler was a man's champ and was far from one-dimensional. If you respect the history of the sport, you respect Hagler.

[Ray Corso]

I don't have "issues" with Leonard, I don't like him! I knew him as a kid and as a retired boxer you don't know him at all!
I don't give spit who wins fights unless my fighters are involved, do you even know anyone who fights?

I am in the pasture but to get here you need to be in the mix to begin with. You have never seen a ring in person let alone lace up and fight.
You telling me what it takes to box is a joke, I've trained national amateur champions and pro world champions you haven't trained yourself to acknowledge that others have opinions that differ from yours and that's ok!


What I forgot you'll NEVER know!

Ray