Comments Thread For: Chavez Jr. Laughs at Canelo's Last Win, Feels He's Overhyped

[bigdunny1]

Floyd became an A side guy with a great deal of hater fans if not because of them. Everyone is paying for a ticket regardless if they wanna see you win or lose. And people wanting to see you is what makes you the A side. Its not about people liking you.

So I don't think the "there's never been a more despised Mexican boxer than Canelo" line is all that crazy a line. I'd bet there are more cats paying to see Canelo lose, in particular after he dropped his belt & avoided the GGG fight, than any mainstream Mexican boxer in the last several decades so I tend to agree with that line of thought.

I don't buy this and I heard trolls tell me all LAST YEAR that Mexico turned on him and guess what happened over 51,000 showed up at Jerry World shattering attendance records that Manny Pacquiao set in his prime. And coming close to the alltime record set by Chavez Sr. Those fans didn't show up to boo Canelo. Even now against Chavez Jr another popular Mexican during all the press conferences more fans have showed up screaming for Canelo then they have Chavez. Tickets sold immediately and this will NOT be a mixed 50/50 crowd. Canelo will have at minimum 75/25 split in his favor cheering for him fight night.

Canelo has his share of haters as does anybody who becomes the "man". But this is not a Floyd situation where the majority of fans are showing up just to boo and root for him to lose. Canelo's fanbase resembles Oscar De La Hoya's fanbase in his time more then it does Floyd's. Oscar had massive fans including women and casual but also had haters. They didn't like his looks they didn't like the fact he spoke English and represented USA in the Olympics, felt he wasn't Mexican enough, didn't like the way he destroyed a Mexican icon (Chavez Sr) and other kinds of nonsense. But they were always far out numbered by Mexicans who supported oscar. I call it loud minority. The mexicans who are the most loud and talking smack about Canelo are the vast minority. They are haters/trolls and a drop in the bucket.

What Floyd did was embrace and go full villain role angering people but making millions off them rooting and booing him because they paid to buy a ticket or PPV every time. It was not accidental it was strategic straight out WWE blueprint promoting the heel.

[bigdunny1]

Canelo got all this hate after vacating, so much hate that in his very next fight after vacating he packed 52k fans and sold 300k ppvs all of this fighting a guy who has never been in us tv before.... similar to what ggg did vs wade , oh wait , nevermind...

Exactly the talk from the haters/trolls that Mexicans turned on Canelo does not match reality. SMH

As for Chavez he is now the man of the people coming to fight for what's right in boxing? Chavez the spoiled brat who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth sticking his middle finger up at boxing his entire career? Was given everything to him because he was born with his daddy's last name and still pi ssed it away. He's the company owners son who only got the job because of that. Totally unqualified and lazy shows up to work 2 days out of the week with coke on his nose and sucks at his job. If not for his daddy and his connections he would never had a paper belt for 15mins and would of flamed out of boxing a long long time ago.

Talk smack sell the fight cash in on your retirement fund because Canelo going to whoop you.

[hugh grant]

Floyd became an A side guy with a great deal of hater fans if not because of them. Everyone is paying for a ticket regardless if they wanna see you win or lose. And people wanting to see you is what makes you the A side. Its not about people liking you.

So I don't think the "there's never been a more despised Mexican boxer than Canelo" line is all that crazy a line. I'd bet there are more cats paying to see Canelo lose, in particular after he dropped his belt & avoided the GGG fight, than any mainstream Mexican boxer in the last several decades so I tend to agree with that line of thought.

Makes you wionder why dlh and nelo so keen to boast about being a side? When the reason being people wanting to see nelo beat!
So in my opi ion a fight between GGG and nelo should be 50 50 as people arevpaying to see GGG beat nelo.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't buy this and I heard trolls tell me all LAST YEAR that Mexico turned on him and guess what happened over 51,000 showed up at Jerry World shattering attendance records that Manny Pacquiao set in his prime. And coming close to the alltime record set by Chavez Sr. Those fans didn't show up to boo Canelo. Even now against Chavez Jr another popular Mexican during all the press conferences more fans have showed up screaming for Canelo then they have Chavez. Tickets sold immediately and this will NOT be a mixed 50/50 crowd. Canelo will have at minimum 75/25 split in his favor cheering for him fight night.

Canelo has his share of haters as does anybody who becomes the "man". But this is not a Floyd situation where the majority of fans are showing up just to boo and root for him to lose.

I think you might have misunderstood what I said.

"I'd bet there are more cats paying to see Canelo lose, in particular after he dropped his belt & avoided the GGG fight, than any mainstream Mexican boxer in the last several decades".

I'm not saying the majority of fans in the crowd are against Canelo. I'm saying I feel like Canelo is the most disliked boxer of recent Mexican boxer history. Its less of an opinion on Canelo & more of an opinion on how loved & respected past Mexican fighters were. For example maybe the audience & fans are 75/25 (pulling this number out of my ass) for Canelo, but the audience & fans were 90/10 for Chavez Sr back in the day.

I'm not even confident in saying most of the people in the audience or fans were against Floyd so I definitely wouldn't make that claim with anyone else since a young Ali or Jack Johnson who may have had that caliber of hate vs love among fans.

[icha]

Makes you wionder why dlh and nelo so keen to boast about being a side? When the reason being people wanting to see nelo beat!
So in my opi ion a fight between GGG and nelo should be 50 50 as people arevpaying to see GGG beat nelo.

Good luck with that...LMAO..

[Eff Pandas]

Makes you wionder why dlh and nelo so keen to boast about being a side?

It doesn't matter why people are paying to see you as long as they are paying. Think Ali used to have a line like that. A side is about tickets & PPV's sold not about how many of those people paying like you.

And there is no argument Canelo is the A side. Canelo fights bs opponents & pulls 2x the PPV numbers & nearly 2x the gate as GGG does when he fights his best opponents. Case closed on any A, B side debates with that information.

[sammybee]

If Canelo chin can endure Chavez jr punches over 12 rounds, then he will win by decision.. Because on fight night, Jr will weigh around 172 and he will be the bigger man.

[Verus]

A legitimate win by Jr. next month eclipses any win on Canelo's resume thus far, historically speaking.

Can't argue with that. If Jr. beats Saul, his stock goes way up and a lot of posters on this forum and others will be jumping for joy. On the other side of it, a lot of good boxers between 154 lbs and 160 lbs will lose a potential big bucks paycheck, because Chavez Jr. is not as big a draw and will probably balloon back up in weight. Despite the recent photos and comments about how well he is doing in training, my gut still tells me that Canelo is going to hurt this guy.

[Verus]

Ali was the first boxer to really hype fights by creating a villian person and People can thank old time wrestler Gorgeous George for that. Quoting Ali:

"[I got it] from seeing Gorgeous George wrestle in Las Vegas," Ali told the Associated Press' Hubert Mizel in a 1969 interview. "I saw his aides spraying deodorant in the opponents' corner to contain the smell. I also saw 13,000 full seats. I talked with Gorgeous for five minutes after the match and started being a big-mouth and a bragger.
"He told me people would come to see me get beat. Others would come to see me win. I'd get 'em coming and going."

[Verus]

I think you might have misunderstood what I said.

"I'd bet there are more cats paying to see Canelo lose, in particular after he dropped his belt & avoided the GGG fight, than any mainstream Mexican boxer in the last several decades".

I'm not saying the majority of fans in the crowd are against Canelo. I'm saying I feel like Canelo is the most disliked boxer of recent Mexican boxer history. Its less of an opinion on Canelo & more of an opinion on how loved & respected past Mexican fighters were. For example maybe the audience & fans are 75/25 (pulling this number out of my ass) for Canelo, but the audience & fans were 90/10 for Chavez Sr back in the day.

I'm not even confident in saying most of the people in the audience or fans were against Floyd so I definitely wouldn't make that claim with anyone else since a young Ali or Jack Johnson who may have had that caliber of hate vs love among fans.

"[I got it] from seeing Gorgeous George wrestle in Las Vegas," Ali told the Associated Press' Hubert Mizel in a 1969 interview. "I saw his aides spraying deodorant in the opponents' corner to contain the smell. I also saw 13,000 full seats. I talked with Gorgeous for five minutes after the match and started being a big-mouth and a bragger.
"He told me people would come to see me get beat. Others would come to see me win. I'd get 'em coming and going."