Baltimore boxer shot...RIP Baltimore snuffs out another

[mlac]

Cops in Baltimore aren't as keen on preventing crimes as they did before. They fear they will be charged for profiling. Lot of the cops know who to keep an eye on but that's been viewed as racial profiling so they've stopped. All this was due to the riots that happened after a suspect died from his injuries in a police van.

Cops in Baltimore just aren't responding to neighborhood calls when people suspect something is about to happen so cops are now responding only after it's already happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndg-JGmYryA

good podcast to listen to, to get insights into the minds of a former baltimore cop.

[billeau2]

Thats awful.

It kind of unbelievable. If someone posted that information on this board I would not believe it...I just happen to know a researcher who shared the information with me. The media has forgotten about Aids and it is killing people as it was before, but in most first world countries we can treat its symptoms.

[New England]

Regardless of one's position on gun ownership this issue is far more complex than just a firearms issue, for example, there are also many stabbings in the city.

Not that long ago in the United States the authorities had a brilliant idea to solve criminal enterprise and accomplish other such things... It was called prohibition. It was many things, a success was not one of these things! People have to grow up it never works to treat them like a child. We tell children, No! and we take the offending item away (guns, liquor, etc) but adults need the maturity to deal with guns, drugs, etc.

Baltimore has many problems. I'll leave it at that as not to editorialize when a man was killed.

plenty of first world countries have prohibited guns and seen decreases in the level of gun violence and suicide. didn't turn them into 30's chicago.


cheap, easy access to guns is the main source of this problem. the CDC was literally blocked for years from even investigating gun proliferation as a public health problem. the "gun lobby" is regularly cited by congressional leaders and their staff as the most influential when they're polled. really. you think this is some kind of accident? the country has a shooting problem. the country's most influential lobbying body has a gigantic, multi trillion dollar stake in war and guns. that's no coincidence.

[New England]

this has got to stop.

it needs to become more difficult to own, and more importantly sell or possess, a gun. gun control works. no other first world country sticks its head in the sand and acts like the huge amount of guns in this country have nothing to do with the huge amount of SHOOTINGS

[billeau2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndg-JGmYryA

good podcast to listen to, to get insights into the minds of a former baltimore cop.

David Simon, who wrote Homicide and the Wire is a great source of information as well. OMalley created toxic culture in the department where cops were rewarded for arrests. The prison industry loves the ********ic machine...kids, drug offenders, victimless crimes...lock em all up and charge the tax payers... Never mind real police work...

Simon talks about the old culture where a cop knew the hood, walked a beat and had the respect, not the fear of residents. There was a whole chain of informants...the same guys they lock up now on petty sh11t, (some people put Freddie Gray in that category) were the guys who would help keep the real criminals in line.

Freddie Gray is a great example: The District Attorney, worthless and good looking Marilyn Mosley, concerned with the image of the city for one of its image campaigns told the cops to sweep the corner's in that area hard...they were doing as they were told. Police work has become all about image and arrest numbers.

I can tell you one thing. The Baltimore cops I have run into were all good to me...I am a caucasian lol, but they were always fair and when you show them respect they seemed to appreciate that they had real fish to fry. I never even got a ticket! I can relate to their apethy. Mosley threw them under the bus along with the new police chief the mayor hired. The former mayor might be the only person in high government ******ier than Mosley.

[billeau2]

plenty of first world countries have prohibited guns and seen decreases in the level of gun violence and suicide. didn't turn them into 30's chicago.


cheap, easy access to guns is the main source of this problem. the CDC was literally blocked for years from even investigating gun proliferation as a public health problem. the "gun lobby" is regularly cited by congressional leaders and their staff as the most influential when they're polled. really. you think this is some kind of accident? the country has a shooting problem. the country's most influential lobbying body has a gigantic, multi trillion dollar stake in war and guns. that's no coincidence.

The anti gun lobby neglects to mention that most handgun killings are committed by peope who steal guns...So limiting guns to legal gun owners would not have much effect. People who commit crimes and kill do so regardless of whether guns are available, or not thats a fact. Check Central America and South America and see how guns are banned yet more people are killed per capita than anywhere else... Heck check Messico! where guns are strictly prohibited...sure slows down the killers don't it! Or are you a rascist who thinks Messicans are more determined than others? (kidding)

Since when is gun ploliferation a health issue? never mind...

Yes there is a gun lobby in this country, there are also people who want a natural balance against the government. This country would have to think very hard about martial law because there are areas with lots of gun owners that would be difficult to take control of. That is also a fact. The problem is not the criminals who would make it look like 30's Chicago, its the godamn feds who will go and murder a man and his family for a tax debt! They wanted to murder Bundy and would have...thats a fact because they eventually did murder didn't they? You need a balance against that... let agents from the government out to murder for a debt a credit card co can't even call you about at certain hours pause and reflect on their safety when they decide to act heavy handed against ranchers and others who protest the government. thats a good thing

Take it from a martial artist you can kill with a blade as well, if not better than with a gun...stabbings happen all the time. Guns don't kill people.

Now some forms of gun control can be put on the table, but to blame the entirety of this problem on guns is beyond ******.

[nacho daddy]

Its an elaborate caste system: You have very rich people in the outlying areas of Baltimore, then you have a large mostly Black Burocracy, similar to the one in Detriot that sold their people down the river... these people are out for number one, like the former mayor who used to take jaunts all over the country on taxpayer's dime.

You have a solid middle class which has been shrinking as the city squeezes it more and more with taxes and ****** things to many to go into.

Then you have the bottom: Lots of entitlement programs, some not used properly, others serving the needy...And of course the people who have 5 kids. Baltimore has neighborhoods with a worse aids rate than most places in the world: that includes South Africa, the highest aids epidemic population in the word.

blacks ALWAYS treated better by the hated white man then their own kind all the cities reflect that as well as Africa which is the worst place for blacks

[mlac]

David Simon, who wrote Homicide and the Wire is a great source of information as well. OMalley created toxic culture in the department where cops were rewarded for arrests. The prison industry loves the ********ic machine...kids, drug offenders, victimless crimes...lock em all up and charge the tax payers... Never mind real police work...

Simon talks about the old culture where a cop knew the hood, walked a beat and had the respect, not the fear of residents. There was a whole chain of informants...the same guys they lock up now on petty sh11t, (some people put Freddie Gray in that category) were the guys who would help keep the real criminals in line.

Freddie Gray is a great example: The District Attorney, worthless and good looking Marilyn Mosley, concerned with the image of the city for one of its image campaigns told the cops to sweep the corner's in that area hard...they were doing as they were told. Police work has become all about image and arrest numbers.

I can tell you one thing. The Baltimore cops I have run into were all good to me...I am a caucasian lol, but they were always fair and when you show them respect they seemed to appreciate that they had real fish to fry. I never even got a ticket! I can relate to their apethy. Mosley threw them under the bus along with the new police chief the mayor hired. The former mayor might be the only person in high government ******ier than Mosley.

Yeah ive seen The corner (the mini series before the wire) and ive seen the wire twice ( my favourite series of all time)
Apparently Avon barksdale, and a ton of other characters are/ were all real people, as well as a load of the cast being real life gangsters (snoop etc)

The thing i love so much about it, is even though im across the other side of the Atlantic, i can tell it feels so real. The Acting, the storylines the critique of society, whether it be the drugs laws, politics, police, the media, schools, and how everything intertwines with an overbearing sense of corruption and injustice is truely a modern day Shakespearean novel.

Would be interested to hear your take on it, since your from the same area an all...

[Metho_4u]

I feel it's a problem with the overall infrastructure in many areas. The very appearance of one's area can be enough to set some people off. It's very sad no matter your political position (though all of them are one in the same imo) want to address the inner cities or "black communities" and how the entire infrastructure needs to be rebuilt, schools need better teachers or more money, blah blah. Once they get their vote? Ok, thanks we'll see you in 4 years.

[billeau2]

this has got to stop.

it needs to become more difficult to own, and more importantly sell or possess, a gun. gun control works. no other first world country sticks its head in the sand and acts like the huge amount of guns in this country have nothing to do with the huge amount of SHOOTINGS

Yeah and you throw out that bathwater the baby goes with it... Have a hot girlfriend or wife? Does she like to look nie out with her girlfriends for a night out while you watch the fights with the boys? Well in Sweden she might get confronted, ****d, smacked around and that same gov that bans guns will ban your right to do anything but accomodate a hostile non assimilating element (not all ******s). And Scotland, antigun and all, is about as violent as Baltimore, but with twice the government intrusion.

Sometimes its better when the government sticks its head in the sand. The first world is by and large controlled by unelected buroc**** (Eropean trade union), governments intent on telling its citizens to put up with a violent unassimilating mass of immigrants...hey I can walk through East Baltimore during the day if I am street wise, but some areas of London?

Better think before you speak about the first world. It does have a standard of living that is better but the idiological bent of those in charge, the need to "ban" things and control things that are none of their business has implications. You could of course cover your lady in pig blood, or marry a real cow