Roman is STILL p4p no.1

[mlac]

Getting smashed?

This is the logic the judges used.

you don't score fights based on blood buddy.

[mlac]

What is your criteria for P4P? What does P4P Mean To You?



I will go with what a Boxing Legend considers P4P and based off THAT, NO Roman Gonzalez is NOT #1 P4P mostly because his Defense is BRUTAL! He has taken more punishment his last 2 Fights than some fighters entire career and NO that is NOT GOOD! #1 P4P Most Exciting Fighter In Boxing I will give him that for sure!

Well, it's subjective innit?

People wrongly assume it's about resume. that's part of it but IMO it's about dominating your opposition.

For example thurman has a brilliant resume but if you look at his fights he's not dominating them, the porter fight could of gone either way, and the garcia fight was not a domination.

My point is, because Roman is only recently getting shine on HBO being the co-feature, boxing fans are assuming this is a guy in his prime who is struggling with his opposition. When he's past prime in with bigger guy's and still winning.

Even a hardcore boxing nerd like myself had not noticed him for year's beforehand, when he was actually in his prime and dominating for year's.

[sicko]

So I guess you will rate GGG very high in the P4P list then, he went from taking needless shots against Brook for no reason to boxing cute and smart against a highly rated Daniel Jacobs.

Compare faces of GGG from Brook to Jacobs, GGG barely took much damage over 36 minutes to Jacobs and that is because he was defending himself much better, and Jacobs is meant to be a much bigger puncher than Brook.
Masterful performance by GGG

Why Wouldn't I have GGG Rated highly P4P? Of course he is one of the best fighters P4P in boxing today. I'm not a bias Groupie like you

Always said GGG is a BOXER/PUNCHER not just some face first Brawl, also reminded people when they was talking about his Defense vs Brooks that vs a more POWERFUL Lemieux GGG Defense and Head Movement was outstanding in that fight as well. GGG is a EXCELLENT FIGHTER one of the best in boxing today but people like YOU trying to make him out to be INVINCIBLE which is a disservice to him and puts unrealistic pressure on him to try and knock EVERYBODY OUT!

[Aztekkas]

Incorrect.

Was he losing? absolutely, did he finish much stronger, outland the guy by over 100 punchs and deserve to keep his belts?
absolutely imo.

He hasnt looked spectacular and hasnt DOMINATED the opposition, but like i said he's past prime and in a division where he does not belong and STILL winning.

Let's be honest now, Cuadras looked like a shell of himself last weekend.

Roman took his soul.

I don't know how you can talk about dodging 'tough fights' when Roman has been in B2B FOTY slobberknockers with extremely tough, bigger men.

Don't get me wrong i couldnt care less about the little guy's until recently, i just think because he's tiny he doesnt get his due props.

Roman didn't take his soul lmao Cuadras has a bad showing and an off night. On top of that he underestimated his opposition and it showed.

See, you asked for facts and I provided them. You on the other hand, you're basing half of your reply on your personal opinion and how you viewed his last fight and the Cuadras "soul snatching".

People act like Roman is tiny... no, the guy was coming in at 127 when fighting at 112. He's currently at his natural weight and could and will most likely max out at 118. He himself has stated he wanted to go up eventually so stop the BS.

So yeah, my first post remains.

Nope.

[HanzGruber]

Incorrect.

Was he losing? absolutely, did he finish much stronger, outland the guy by over 100 punchs and deserve to keep his belts?
absolutely imo.

He hasnt looked spectacular and hasnt DOMINATED the opposition, but like i said he's past prime and in a division where he does not belong and STILL winning.

Let's be honest now, Cuadras looked like a shell of himself last weekend.

Roman took his soul.

I don't know how you can talk about dodging 'tough fights' when Roman has been in B2B FOTY slobberknockers with extremely tough, bigger men.

Don't get me wrong i couldnt care less about the little guy's until recently, i just think because he's tiny he doesnt get his due props.

you put wayyyy to much stock into compubox.. if there was no compubox would you say "he landed 100 more punches"? no because you score with your eyes, not numbers. This isnt the nba or nfl

[M Bison]

Why Wouldn't I have GGG Rated highly P4P? Of course he is one of the best fighters P4P in boxing today. I'm not a bias Groupie like you

Always said GGG is a BOXER/PUNCHER not just some face first Brawl, also reminded people when they was talking about his Defense vs Brooks that vs a more POWERFUL Lemieux GGG Defense and Head Movement was outstanding in that fight as well. GGG is a EXCELLENT FIGHTER one of the best in boxing today but people like YOU trying to make him out to be INVINCIBLE which is a disservice to him and puts unrealistic pressure on him to try and knock EVERYBODY OUT!

If you let someone affect you that much I think it somewhat shows how weak of a person you really are.

You never held the Mayweather fans to the same standard, so why should anyone hold anything you say with any weight?
I guess I should also state that I also use to like Mayweather until he started acting like a cry baby and started beating up woman, It wasn't his fans that put me off him even though they're some of the worst ones about.

Nobody is making him out to be invincible he is simply getting the due credit he is deserved, why does that upset you so much, are you that insecure?
I've said before there are people in the past that could perhaps beat him, you come across as a very bitter person.

[HanzGruber]

So I guess you will rate GGG very high in the P4P list then, he went from taking needless shots against Brook for no reason to boxing cute and smart against a highly rated Daniel Jacobs.

Compare faces of GGG from Brook to Jacobs, GGG barely took much damage over 36 minutes to Jacobs and that is because he was defending himself much better, and Jacobs is meant to be a much bigger puncher than Brook.
Masterful performance by GGG

i know you love to troll, cause gg was anything but masterful lul

[mlac]

Roman didn't take his soul lmao Cuadras has a bad showing and an off night. On top of that he underestimated his opposition and it showed.

See, you asked for facts and I provided them. You on the other hand, you're basing half of your reply on your personal opinion and how you viewed his last fight and the Cuadras "soul snatching".

People act like Roman is tiny... no, the guy was coming in at 127 when fighting at 112. He's currently at his natural weight and could and will most likely max out at 118. He himself has stated he wanted to go up eventually so stop the BS.

So yeah, my first post remains.

Nope.

It's a exaggeration bud, My point still remains, you can't deny that Caudras looked like a shell of himself....or are you?

My opinion that Roman won the fight is an opinion that holds more weight than yours considering the clean effective punching and out-landing him considerably.

or are you going to try and say the punchstats were exaggerated propaganda?

This is clearly not roman's division, that's a fact not BS my friend.

Not just Weight but height, and especially bodyframe have to be taken into consideration.

[sicko]

Well, it's subjective innit?

People wrongly assume it's about resume. that's part of it but IMO it's about dominating your opposition.

For example thurman has a brilliant resume but if you look at his fights he's not dominating them, the porter fight could of gone either way, and the garcia fight was not a domination.

My point is, because Roman is only recently getting shine on HBO being the co-feature, boxing fans are assuming this is a guy in his prime who is struggling with his opposition. When he's past prime in with bigger guy's and still winning.

Even a hardcore boxing nerd like myself had not noticed him for year's beforehand, when he was actually in his prime and dominating for year's.

Listen to the video again of what Bernard Hopkins is saying, "P4P MEANS YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING"

Resume is just 1 Criteria in P4P but it is EVERYTHING!

Keith Thurman showed vs Garcia that in that ring "HE CAN DO ANYTHING" Walked Danny down the first 3 Rounds, mixed things up went back to his boxing did some sticking and moving. Other than his punch resistance to the body, Thurman really don't have many weaknesses, OK he not score the "One Time" KO's he scored vs Weaker opponents but the fight style Thurman is using now, will keep him around and at the top for much Longer compared to Roman Gonzalez style which already has him slowing down before he reaches 30

[M Bison]

i know you love to troll, cause gg was anything but masterful lul

Great defence, landed the jab at will and out-landed Jacobs in nearly every single round.
Golovkin fought great, there is video evidence of that just open your eyes.