Roman is STILL p4p no.1

[mlac]

To call him the greatest little man ever when he got destroyed on Saturday by a less unknown guy is pretty damn dumb buddy. You may want to wait until after his next fight when many people will have a distant memory of what just occurred.

having a bloodied face does not equate to being ' destroyed '.

I suggest you re-watch the fight without any of your rican rivalry / or whatever south american bias you have against the guy, because the dude did not lose that fight.

[M Bison]

you mean like this lol.. its almost as if cyclone is scoring jabs... as a power shot

You're not spinning this one like that, this fight was entirely different to GGG Vs. DJ.

To add to this, Ward barely landed more jabs than Kovalev, when there is a clear close round nine times out of ten you're going to score it to the guy making the fight and landing better shots and that certainly wasn't Jacobs throughout the majority of the fight.

[SensFullViolenc]

If a fight is close enough, I go with the official decision.

This fight wasn't that close. It was competitive, but Chocolatito clearly won.

So I could see keeping him #1 (especially since the dudes at #2 & #3 also have a disputed decision, so that neither is clearly the one to take over. And my former #4 guy, GGG, looked meh, so he's dropped to #5)

However, the clear winner of Kova-Ward II (hopefully) will likely take over.

Chocolatito is no longer dominating at 115 like he did before. I think its a combination of size and maybe age. 30 is getting old for small guys.

Yes, Chocolatito's past resume is stellar across 4 divisions, undefeated (IMO).

But you do rate the fighter as they are TODAY And today he isn't dominating a solid 115 fighter. He beat Cuadras, and excellent 115 fighter, but didn't really dominate either.


So, I would keep Chocolatito at #1, but Kova-Ward II will likely change that. GGG could also impress more than he did Saturday. Bud & Loma are coming. Maybe even Pac. And Inouye may be coming for #1 too, hopefully he can get a big fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Cry, cry, cry, cry...


The jab obviously counts If they didn't Wladimir wouldn't have won as many fights as he has done.
I'd see your point with Jacobs 'power' punches If they were often sending GGG reeling and backing off constantly but they never came close to that, the only person who was landing power shots that were taking a noticeable effect was Golovkin.

And then the round after that where he hurt Jacobs and there was another round or two in among the 12.

Nope, I didn't.

Power punches do count for more than a jab that is true, but they don't count for much If you've only landed an extra 10 over a 12 round period, do the damn math.

you mean like this lol.. its almost as if cyclone is scoring jabs... as a power shot

Red Cyclone you are very forgetful as HanzGruber's post shows.

Now if you had GGG winning I am fine with that. I had Jacobs winning 114-113 myself. No big deal.

Maybe you didn't agree with the other poster (forget that folls name) but I clearly remember You were one of the people that feels power punches are worth more than jabs.

So it was wierd to see you posting about jabs being the deciding factor.

Oh how times have changed.

[SensFullViolenc]

lol at these people calling Sor Rungisvai a bum

just because you never seen him fight it doesn't mean hes a bum. It just means that you don't pay attention to lower weight classes or Asian fighters.

Hell, I'll admit that before Saturday I never saw him fight. But I know he gave Cuadras hell. He's an ex-title holder. And he absorbed tons of punches and never stopped coming.

[mlac]

If a fight is close enough, I go with the official decision.

This fight wasn't that close. It was competitive, but Chocolatito clearly won.

So I could see keeping him #1 (especially since the dudes at #2 & #3 also have a disputed decision, so that neither is clearly the one to take over. And my former #4 guy, GGG, looked meh, so he's dropped to #5)

However, the clear winner of Kova-Ward II (hopefully) will likely take over.

Chocolatito is no longer dominating at 115 like he did before. I think its a combination of size and maybe age. 30 is getting old for small guys.

Yes, Chocolatito's past resume is stellar across 4 divisions, undefeated (IMO).

But you do rate the fighter as they are TODAY And today he isn't dominating a solid 115 fighter. He beat Cuadras, and excellent 115 fighter, but didn't really dominate either.


So, I would keep Chocolatito at #1, but Kova-Ward II will likely change that. GGG could also impress more than he did Saturday. Bud & Loma are coming. Maybe even Pac. And Inouye may be coming for #1 too, hopefully he can get a big fight.

Is that really true? i remember listening to a boxing podcast last year or the year before dedicated to the P4P list and practically everyone was including Ward on it.

Clearly that isnt for beating Paul smith, barrera and ...the other guy? i cant even remember his name.

So he's solely on there for what he did 5 years prior...

But yeah...Good post, i think the key point here is, the age, like i said before, 30 is around 40 for the little guys.

[1hourRun]

What is your criteria for P4P? What does P4P Mean To You?



I will go with what a Boxing Legend considers P4P and based off THAT, NO Roman Gonzalez is NOT #1 P4P mostly because his Defense is BRUTAL! He has taken more punishment his last 2 Fights than some fighters entire career and NO that is NOT GOOD! #1 P4P Most Exciting Fighter In Boxing I will give him that for sure!

lol B-Hop had Gonzalez #1. P4P in post fight interviews after the GGG-Lemuiex-Gonzalez-Viloria PPV! and talk about his defense is brutal? If you think his defense is brutal then I dont think you appreciate inside fighting, picking-off shots, blocking, rolling, countering ; side-steping creating angles and on and on -- but hey if you like footwork thats cool I appreciate that side of the game too but lets keep it real -- I know RG is slipping a bit but hes been in with top five back to back moving up in weight so factor that before you condemn him.

[Suavecito80]

I don't think he is #1 even though I think he won the fight. It is still a loss but I think he is top ten without a doubt. He did not get destroyed and it was a close fight that I feel he won. He just needs to heal up those cuts and get back in the ring.

[sicko]

I don't buy that, Thurman has never convincingly beat an elite fighter. I had porter winning and yes he beat Garcia, but was it a clinic? not really. and let's not pretend garcia hasnt been beaten before.

Just because B-Hop says Roman gets hit alot at the tail end of his career doesnt change the fact that he spent year's and year's beforehand DOMINATING.

like i said, now he's got a bit of shine on HBO and not dominating past-prime you can't suddenly say AHA! look hes not dominating anymore in a division where he is tiny at the tail end of his career therefore i will dismiss all the prior work.

That's like Focusing on Ali's past prime fights and concluding it negates all his prior body of work.

It's funny you mention he's not even 30, because 30 for the lower weights is like 38/40 for the normal sized/bigger guys...which again i use to bolster my argument that he is still managing to win...

Yeah OK but you're kinda trying to narrow down the Criteria for P4P so that it can fit your Narrative and make you look good in your argument. NOBODY is saying that Roman is not P4P at all, he just not #1 anymore. We can't just hold on to his PRIME and ignore what we're seeing now that is NOT how P4P Works.

Based on his last 2 Fights has he Performed like the #1 P4P Fighter in all of boxing? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

It is still some confusion as far as "What Is P4P" everybody have their own interpretation of that which is why it is no such thing as an official P4P Ranking! It is all just Opinions! If you consider Roman #1 on YOUR P4P Rankings then More Power To You!

[1hourRun]

mlac finally made a good thread. But I really dont know where Gonzalez is on my P4P right now hes aging and time will tell - I have not worked on my list in a while but officially I cant call it Ward as you mentioned had a arguable victory and Gonzalez arguably lost ; the flash knockdown was nothing serious but Wards was flush...so like I said I'm not sure.