Comments Thread For: No Robbery at MSG, But Golovkin's Future Plans are Criminal

[champion4ever]

This is a great example of a terrible post quoted by someone who makes a worse post. Unbelievable stuff.

You may call it what you want but it is what it is and that is the truth. They are afraid; Plain and simple.

It's no different and the exact same reason why De La Hoya has been keeping Canelo away from GGG these past two years. It's because he fears that Canelo may get his ass whooped.

For example, the only reason why Oscar have been holding Canelo back all these months, by having him relinquish his WBC title belt he had previously won against Miguel Cotto and then subsequently having him move back down to the 154lb division is because he knows once his guy steps into that ring with Gennady Golovkin it's over. He is going to get his ass knocked out.

So as Canelo's promoter; Oscar's job is to protect his only cash cow by keeping him winning, healthy and marketable. It's only common sense. Those choices don't make Oscar a coward but a very smart and savvy business man.

Canelo would be taking a huge risk by challenging GGG. That's why De La Hoya has been very cautious with sending him in there; By making excuses, stalling and avoiding him over these past several months.

[Raggamuffin]

Saunders is a bum and taking his title means very little. But...if he says that he will still fight Canelo in September then I can live with that. That's a busy schedule and a lot of training.

[Diegosome1]

Stay in your lane Vato.

We're talking MW's...ya'll don't know **** about that

Couldn't answer. Thoughts so

[yankees7448]

Just wanted to clear up things on the overall argument here.

1. When it comes to the fight itself GGG was the busier and more accurate puncher. Overall he threw 615 punches to Jacobs' 541. GGG landed more punches than Jacobs 231 to 175 and landed at a higher percentage 37.6 to 32.3. He outlanded Jacobs in in 9 out of 12 rounds. He connected on a higher percentage of shots in 8 out of 12 rounds. The stats tell the story of the fight. It was a competitive fight that GGG edged out statistically but also gets credit for a knockdown. When you have an edge in all statistical categories and score the only knock down you're probably going win the fight if its close.

2. Jacobs did much better than anyone expected. But I think a lot of the anger here has more to do with either a pathological hatred of GGG or what is commonly referred to as the soft bias of low expectations. Everyone, myself included, really underestimated Jacobs. I think the fact that he was so competitive is causing people to overestimate just how well he did. He put up a good fight and deserves a rematch. But for him to say that he lost because the system wants to protect GGG vs. Canelo is sour g****s. For the writer to suggest that GGG's desire to fight Canelo and Billy Joe Saunders next is a criminal act is nothing short of pure anti-GGG bias.

3. It is silly to suggest GGG is ducking Jacobs a week after he just beat him especially if GGG had his way they would have fought on the December 10th date HBO secured for him. Jacobs dragged things out because he wanted more money. (When negotiations were stalling he petitioned to have the purse bid split changed from 75-25 for GGG to 60-40. That's why they didn't fight until next week. You can't duck a fighter you already fought and were pushing to fight 4 months earlier than the eventual date of the fight.

4. Is GGG's plans the only real obstacle to a rematch with Jacobs. Jacobs already delayed the first fight from December 10th to March 18th because he wanted more money. Considering his impressive performance it is only natural that he's going to want more money for the rematch. He is probably justified in asking for parity with GGG. However, the incredibly disappointing PPV numbers for this first fight might mean there may not be enough money to increase Jacobs side of the purse. If the fight doesn't get made because Jacobs wants more money do you blame him for that? Do you accuse him of caring more about money than his legacy?

4.GGG likes to fight often. He tries to fight 3 to 4 times a year. He is also looking for meaningful fights. By process of elimination that means Jacobs is going to get his rematch sooner rather than later. There just aren't enough other options for big fights out there for GGG. Just because it isn't going to happen next it doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

5. GGG plans on fighting Billy Joe Saunders and Canelo next. Many people would prefer a rematch with Jacobs happens sooner rather than later. I would count myself amongst that group. However, I don't think anyone should say that these fights are pointless. Both guys are quality fighters and one of those fights is a unification fight. Considering the disappointing PPV numbers for the first fight I think both sides would be better off taking fights in the meantime to continue to build up their profile and buzz for the rematch.

6. Since Jacobs isn't getting a rematch with GGG next he has a choice. He can either sit out and wait for his rematch or he can continue to fight. If he chooses to sit out and wait I think you people should criticize him for playing it safe. If he chooses to fight again but fights guys who aren't even good enough to be a top middleweights sparring partner you guys should criticize him for playing it safe. But if he fights someone meaningful we should all applaud him for not taking the easy way out. Who knows what he's going to do? Its waaaaaaay too early for such strong judgements based upon what guys who just fought a week ago are going to do.

[aboutfkntime]

Just wanted to clear up things on the overall argument here.

1. When it comes to the fight itself GGG was the busier and more accurate puncher. Overall he threw 615 punches to Jacobs' 541. GGG landed more punches than Jacobs 231 to 175 and landed at a higher percentage 37.6 to 32.3. He outlanded Jacobs in in 9 out of 12 rounds. He connected on a higher percentage of shots in 8 out of 12 rounds. The stats tell the story of the fight. It was a competitive fight that GGG edged out statistically but also gets credit for a knockdown. When you have an edge in all statistical categories and score the only knock down you're probably going win the fight if its close.

2. Jacobs did much better than anyone expected. But I think a lot of the anger here has more to do with either a pathological hatred of GGG or what is commonly referred to as the soft bias of low expectations. Everyone, myself included, really underestimated Jacobs. I think the fact that he was so competitive is causing people to overestimate just how well he did. He put up a good fight and deserves a rematch. But for him to say that he lost because the system wants to protect GGG vs. Canelo is sour g****s. For the writer to suggest that GGG's desire to fight Canelo and Billy Joe Saunders next is a criminal act is nothing short of pure anti-GGG bias.

3. It is silly to suggest GGG is ducking Jacobs a week after he just beat him especially if GGG had his way they would have fought on the December 10th date HBO secured for him. Jacobs dragged things out because he wanted more money. (When negotiations were stalling he petitioned to have the purse bid split changed from 75-25 for GGG to 60-40. That's why they didn't fight until next week. You can't duck a fighter you already fought and were pushing to fight 4 months earlier than the eventual date of the fight.

4. Is GGG's plans the only real obstacle to a rematch with Jacobs. Jacobs already delayed the first fight from December 10th to March 18th because he wanted more money. Considering his impressive performance it is only natural that he's going to want more money for the rematch. He is probably justified in asking for parity with GGG. However, the incredibly disappointing PPV numbers for this first fight might mean there may not be enough money to increase Jacobs side of the purse. If the fight doesn't get made because Jacobs wants more money do you blame him for that? Do you accuse him of caring more about money than his legacy?

4.GGG likes to fight often. He tries to fight 3 to 4 times a year. He is also looking for meaningful fights. By process of elimination that means Jacobs is going to get his rematch sooner rather than later. There just aren't enough other options for big fights out there for GGG. Just because it isn't going to happen next it doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

5. GGG plans on fighting Billy Joe Saunders and Canelo next. Many people would prefer a rematch with Jacobs happens sooner rather than later. I would count myself amongst that group. However, I don't think anyone should say that these fights are pointless. Both guys are quality fighters and one of those fights is a unification fight. Considering the disappointing PPV numbers for the first fight I think both sides would be better off taking fights in the meantime to continue to build up their profile and buzz for the rematch.

6. Since Jacobs isn't getting a rematch with GGG next he has a choice. He can either sit out and wait for his rematch or he can continue to fight. If he chooses to sit out and wait I think you people should criticize him for playing it safe. If he chooses to fight again but fights guys who aren't even good enough to be a top middleweights sparring partner you guys should criticize him for playing it safe. But if he fights someone meaningful we should all applaud him for not taking the easy way out. Who knows what he's going to do? Its waaaaaaay too early for such strong judgements based upon what guys who just fought a week ago are going to do.

Golovkin LOST !!

he got Jacobs problems

[aboutfkntime]

just a reminder.....

the VERY best aspect of this article, is that journalists are starting to understand that they have to keep it real

maybe they can peddle that feel-good shht to the casuals, but they need to keep it real when addressing folks who have a genuine love/understanding for the game

it is no accident that the writer completely failed to mention that fake WBA defence record, instead preferring to concentrate on the IBO defences..... which whilst being largely irrelevant on the grand scale, are at least accurate

thanks once again to the writer for not adorning us with that feel-good bullshht

[yankees7448]

Golovkin LOST !!

he got Jacobs problems

You LOST !!

You got Yankees7448 problems.

[aboutfkntime]

You LOST !!

You got Yankees7448 problems.

if I had won, officially

but many thought I lost

would I be a b1tch if I ducked you in the rematch ?

[LoadedWraps]

So in this writers eyes the last remaining belt is a "meaningless trinket". The fault in his logic is he assumes because it's worthless to him it's worthless to everyone else. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

Quite obviously obtaining all of the middleweight belts is a goal of Golovkin, something he's made clear since making his debut in America in 2012. That alone makes the belt worth something.

Since the modern era of four major sanctioning bodies, how many middleweight champions have unified all four belts, five including the Ring belt? How many have won all five belts? The answer is one: Bernard Hopkins. (Taylor was stripped his IBF belt right after Hopkins).

Hopkins and his five belts (six including the IBO which no one considers as a major sanctioning body but nonetheless Golovkin has that one as well).

Ask Hopkins if unifying all the belts was worthless. It's considered one of Hopkins great achievements at middleweight (the 21 IBF title defenses is great and all but it would have meant very little if he hadn't eventually unified the division, otherwise he would be nothing more than Sven Ottke).

If Golovkin ends up getting the WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF and Ring belts, he will be one of three fighters to have done so if I'm not mistaken (there may be a fourth person I'm forgetting but regardless the amount of people who owned all five belts can be counted on one hand).

Worthless? To the author maybe, but clearly not to Golovkin.

The last comment I'll make had already been brought up - Golovkin is trying to turn around and get right back in the ring in Kazakhstan in June of this year for the WBO belt. Like someone else mentioned, would Jacobs even be willing to fight Golovkin again that quickly and would he be down to fight in Kazakhstan? I'm guessing no. I'd love to see a rematch with Jacobs right now, but I'm certainly not going to criticize Golovkin for attempting to accomplish his goal that we've all known about for years especially when he's so close to obtaining it and I certainly wouldn't call completely unifying a division worthless, especially if he's fighting three times this year.

[HisExcellency]

Golovkin LOST !!

he got Jacobs problems

Yep, congratulations you're 100% r3tarded! Your parents (both dads) must be so proud lol.

In reality, Golovkin dropped Jacobs, wobbled him numerous times, was the aggressor marching forward all night, controlled the fight with his jab, didn't get hurt once, outpunched/outlanded Jacobs overall according to Compubox and outpunched/outlanded Jacobs in 9 of 12 rounds with 1 round even. So Golovkin clearly won the fight.

Meanwhile, CHEAT Jacobs refused to be weighed by both IBF & HBO scales (because he was 15lbs-20lbs heavier), had a 4 inch height advantage, 7 inch reach advantage and 90% KO ratio yet couldn't hurt GGG once lmao. He also fought backwards after getting dropped in the 4th. At the end of the fight he wore shades to hide 2 black eyes but GGGs skin was good enough for a commercial. What a complete joke.