What Are The Easiest Divisions To Setup A WBSS tournament?

[Eff Pandas]

They can do it without Joshua, get Wilder, Parker, and Oqueno/Briggs winner as the titlist, than get guys like Miller, Washington, Breazeale, Ugonoh, Jennings, Kaufmann/Mansour winner, Whyte, Chisora etc to make up the 16 fighters

They only need 8 guys. But yea I got no doubt they could make a tournament, but to me it doesn't define anything for the division if Joshua & Wilder aren't both in it at a minimum.

To me the thing this tournament would wanna do ideally is to define a undefined division & thats not happening unless Joshua & Wilder fight or someone who beat one or both of them fight each other.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The type of money they are talking about, every division is easily makeable. Not a lot of guys commanding million+ dollar paydays

[BillyBoxing]

With all the politics & bs in boxing this WBSS idea is likely going to have to prove they are viable before they will get promoters all singing kumbaya together in there tournament so for this first go around starting in September what are the most likely, non-political bs, less promoters needing to be on board yet still compelling divisions to have a tournament in?

My go to is 154. Its still a undefined division at the top with several guys who seem capable of being the #1 guy so it should have some fun fights & there is a lot of speculation & unknown with what happens when top guys fight. Haymon & Slick Richard have an alliance & this is a very Haymon-centric division. And plus there should be a lot of name guys being willing to jump into this tournament since $10M+ for 3 fights would be huge for everyone in this division except Canelo (assuming you count him as a 154lb guy).

Looking at the TBRB rankings you could damn near expect to see this tournament have all top ten caliber guys with Charlo (PBC/Haymon), Lara (PBC/Haymon), Andrade (Showtime connected, sh^tty promoter who's worked with PBC before), Trout (PBC/Haymon), Vanes (former PBC guy, but would probably jack off at being in this tournament & is on his own last I heard), Hurd (PBC/Haymon), DeRoach (Showtime connected) & Lubin (PBC Haymon).

With half the fights talking place in Europe/Germany I suspect there will be a smaller weight class chosen for the 2nd choice to run their first series. 135 seems like a division with some good UK guys + some PBC/Showtime guys that would also be easy to get to come together.

How many fighters are involved in this tournament?
Honnestly at this point the best tournament would be sportwise and starwise 160.

We can agree that Canelo fighting Chavez jr at 165 definitely left 154 just like big Charlo and will end at 160.

So if we go with a kind of super 6 tournament:

You can have Jabocs, GGG and Canelo (two HBO stars), big Charlo, Saunders (a UK fighter) then picking Eubank jr would be funny as hell with the dad.

He would be the better tournament assuming you're on a "super 6 type of tournament".

[BillyBoxing]

They only need 8 guys. But yea I got no doubt they could make a tournament, but to me it doesn't define anything for the division if Joshua & Wilder aren't both in it at a minimum.

To me the thing this tournament would wanna do ideally is to define a undefined division & thats not happening unless Joshua & Wilder fight or someone who beat one or both of them fight each other.

OK, then 160; GGG, Canelo, Jacobs, Eubank, Big Charlo, Saunders, Heiland, Korobov.

You can pick Andrade moving up to add some quality.

[original zero]

The type of money they are talking about, every division is easily makeable. Not a lot of guys commanding million+ dollar paydays

disagree that EVERY division is makeable, but most probably are.

there's no way to make it work at heavyweight right now because the tournament is absolutely pointless if you don't have AJ & Wilder and their fight would be worth so much money that it just doesn't make sense to do it in this tournament format.

[original zero]

OK, then 160; GGG, Canelo, Jacobs, Eubank, Big Charlo, Saunders, Heiland, Korobov.

You can pick Andrade moving up to add some quality.

160 doesn't make any sense because GGG controls the belts and HBO wouldn't let him participate. 160 would be pointless without GGG.

they'll focus on divisions where HBO has little to no influence.

[Eastcoast]

I think CW is a lock for this. It's dominated by European fighters and many of them signed to Haymon and also those guys are really willing to fight one another.



154 seems like a good choice, but I don't think those guys are as willing to fight one another. There's almost no Euro fighters as well. You could end up with the final fight being Jermell Charlo vs Lara and who the hell wants to see that? Plus they might not even be willing to fight each other, and if they did it probably be a sparring session.

135 would make for a good launch pad for Mickey Garcia, who Schaeffer has his claws in. And if Lomachenko agreed to participate, along with Linares and Easter, and handful of decent Euro fighters, it's works well.

[original zero]

Whats Sauerland done PBC-wise?

Haymon doesn't care if it's called PBC or WBSS. What he cares about is gaining a monopoly on US boxing and the new alliance with Sauerland helps accomplish that.

And the bolded are all the guys I was talking about. Hearn does a lot of his own stuff. Slick Richard is looking like he'll do a lot of his own stuff. But the rest of those guys are living or dying with PBC right now. If PBC dies tomorrow all those bolded cats are taking a pay cut. And thats not to diss the arrangement or anything, but lets not act like we'd be talking about TGB or Warriors next boxing card if they weren't working with Haymon.

What matters is if these factions are aligned and willing to consistently match their fighters long term. Hearn and Haymon will risk their fighters against each other because they know if their fighter loses, another fighter will win the next one. They're helping each other take over their respective markets. Hearn has more control of the UK than ever. Haymon has more control of the US than ever. This is not an accident. GYM has more control of Canada than ever. This is not an accident. Sauerland will have more control of Germany than ever.

Dibella has more control of New York than ever. Goosen Tutor/Ten Goose has more control of California than ever. Warriors has more control of Florida than ever. Showtime has more control than ever. Are you noticing a pattern?

Meanwhile Arum, DLH, K2, HBO, etc have less power than ever. Notice a pattern?

And it's only going to get more extreme. The Haymon alliance will gain even more power as each year goes by. The HBO alliance will lose even more power as each year goes by.

This is irreversible.

[-Hyperion-]

Should be cruiser and light middle, but will be cruiser and some other division where haymon and co dont even have the best boxers in the class. PBC and those guys always fudge something up.

[NEETzsche]

Sauerland has Zeuge, Groves, Abraham and Feigenbutz at 168, so you have to assume it will be a strong contender