What Are The Easiest Divisions To Setup A WBSS tournament?

[Eff Pandas]

With all the politics & bs in boxing this WBSS idea is likely going to have to prove they are viable before they will get promoters all singing kumbaya together in there tournament so for this first go around starting in September what are the most likely, non-political bs, less promoters needing to be on board yet still compelling divisions to have a tournament in?

My go to is 154. Its still a undefined division at the top with several guys who seem capable of being the #1 guy so it should have some fun fights & there is a lot of speculation & unknown with what happens when top guys fight. Haymon & Slick Richard have an alliance & this is a very Haymon-centric division. And plus there should be a lot of name guys being willing to jump into this tournament since $10M+ for 3 fights would be huge for everyone in this division except Canelo (assuming you count him as a 154lb guy).

Looking at the TBRB rankings you could damn near expect to see this tournament have all top ten caliber guys with Charlo (PBC/Haymon), Lara (PBC/Haymon), Andrade (Showtime connected, sh^tty promoter who's worked with PBC before), Trout (PBC/Haymon), Vanes (former PBC guy, but would probably jack off at being in this tournament & is on his own last I heard), Hurd (PBC/Haymon), DeRoach (Showtime connected) & Lubin (PBC Haymon).

With half the fights talking place in Europe/Germany I suspect there will be a smaller weight class chosen for the 2nd choice to run their first series. 135 seems like a division with some good UK guys + some PBC/Showtime guys that would also be easy to get to come together.

[original zero]

Haymon already has plenty of promoters singing kumbaya.

The politics & BS in boxing will slowly be stamped out as HBO boxing dies off and the WBSS pumps even more money into the Haymon alliance.

There is less reason than ever before to sign an exclusive promotional contract with an HBO promoter now.

They'll pick the weight classes their allies control and over time they'll be able to use this money to gain control of more and more weight classes.

[Sadiqkingofko]

Easiest pick is 154 or 201+

[Eff Pandas]

Haymon already has plenty of promoters singing kumbaya.

I mean sorta kinda. Largely he has his roster of promoters he deals with. I don't know that any entity in boxing has enough promoters singing kumbaya which is a problem for the sport & the fans of the sport.

The politics & BS in boxing will slowly be stamped out as HBO boxing dies off

Ideally, but while I do think HBO will get out of the boxing business within the coming years I disagree that HBO has to die for boxing to win as so many people I largely agree with with this new era of boxing that seems to be just birthing now with AIBA, PBC & now WBSS making changes to the status quo's of the sport tend to always lean towards & almost hope for. I think HBO could be a big part of the solution of "fixing boxing" if they steered more towards these new trends instead of doubling down on PPV like they have seem to do in recent years & in particular this year.

There is less reason than ever before to sign an exclusive promotional contract with an HBO promoter now.

Definitely agree with this. My hope is that in the future a boxer will never need a more than 1 fight contract with a promoter. I'm rooting for that Devin Haney kid to move as deep as he can without a promoter to prove you can get to the top without one, assuming he's as good as advertised which he's way to young & untested to know right now.

They'll pick the weight classes their allies control and over time they'll be able to use this money to gain control of more and more weight classes.

Yea that would seem like the plan & as mentioned what I expect for this first go around for sure.

[Dean_Razorback]

what about the lower ones? nobody ever unifies down there and they'll get a chance to make big money, another thing they never get to do.

[original zero]

Panda -

Haymon has Schaefer, Mayweather, Dibella, Hearn, GYM, Sauerland, Goose, Warriors etc working together and singing kumbaya.

I've been closely following the sport since 1988 and can't think of another time when that many major promoters were coordinating their actions and working together for the greater good.

But with HBO's budget shrinking, Showtime's growing, Haymon finding wallstreet money and Schaefer finding swiss banker money, HBO is ****ed.

HBO can't fix boxing because HBO has no money. HBO is standing in the way of others fixing boxing. Once HBO boxing is gone, the takeover is complete.

[Eff Pandas]

Easiest pick is 154 or 201+

I think HW would be too expensive right now for them. Joshua is getting PPV money already. He can make in one fight vs a prospect caliber guy who he'd get in 3 fights in this tournament. Doesn't make sense for him & if he's not in it I don't think its all that viable unless the goal of the tournament is just to find the guy who'll challenge him in late 2018. Assuming he beats Klitschko or doesn't get tripped up before that point which I think is a solid assumption as I don't think Joshua is unbeatable.

But I mean if they can get Joshua & at least 1 of 2 guys like Wilder, Ortiz & Parker than fair play, but I don't think that works out so it seems like an also ran tournament from the jump without him & his super marketability.

[Sadiqkingofko]

I think HW would be too expensive right now for them. Joshua is getting PPV money already. He can make in one fight vs a prospect caliber guy who he'd get in 3 fights in this tournament. Doesn't make sense for him & if he's not in it I don't think its all that viable unless the goal of the tournament is just to find the guy who'll challenge him in late 2018. Assuming he beats Klitschko or doesn't get tripped up before that point which I think is a solid assumption as I don't think Joshua is unbeatable.

But I mean if they can get Joshua & at least 1 of 2 guys like Wilder, Ortiz & Parker than fair play, but I don't think that works out so it seems like an also ran tournament from the jump without him & his super marketability.

They can do it without Joshua, get Wilder, Parker, and Oqueno/Briggs winner as the titlist, than get guys like Miller, Washington, Breazeale, Ugonoh, Jennings, Kaufmann/Mansour winner, Whyte, Chisora etc to make up the 16 fighters

[PRINCEKOOL]

I honestly think they should set one up in the heavyweight division! boxing needs the heavyweight division to be booming (Forget the lower weight division!) and right now as we speak? there are many talented and exciting personalities in the heavyweight division that don't get exposure! There are the main protagonist in the heavyweight division who everybody nuts themselves over, such as Tyson Fury, Wladimir Kiltschko, Anothony Joshua, Joseph Parker and most recently Toney Bellew......

But then there are guys like Shannon Briggs, David Haye, Robert Helenius, Luis Ortiz, Lucas Browne, Bryant Jennings, Dillian Whyte, Derek Chisora....that are all looking for a way to ether rebuild their careers, or gain a shot at the heavyweight title! the winner of the tournament will not only improve their public perceptions! (But they will suddenly become the hottest thing in heavyweight boxing!).....

Somebody like David Haye since his recent defeat, is going to find it difficult to get a title shot! even though he is massive name, and a very lucrative attraction (A heavyweight tournament will help him turn things around in the public's eyes! after such a heroic performance in his last fight, there is a story and theme there within his career! just like there is a compelling story within Shannon Briggs career! these great personalities need a stage, to perform their final acts!)...

The Heavyweight Division needs to make a comeback! it is the only division that can capture the entire public's imagination, it is the equivalent to the 100 meters sprint final at the Olympics! (The heavyweights are the only real athletes in the sport, who can truly make a impact on everybody!)...

I think it will be easier to set up, than people perceive...

[Eff Pandas]

Panda -

Haymon has Schaefer, Mayweather, Dibella, Hearn, GYM, Sauerland, Goose, Warriors etc working together and singing kumbaya.

Whats Sauerland done PBC-wise?

And the bolded are all the guys I was talking about. Hearn does a lot of his own stuff. Slick Richard is looking like he'll do a lot of his own stuff. But the rest of those guys are living or dying with PBC right now. If PBC dies tomorrow all those bolded cats are taking a pay cut. And thats not to diss the arrangement or anything, but lets not act like we'd be talking about TGB or Warriors next boxing card if they weren't working with Haymon.

I've been closely following the sport since 1988 and can't think of another time when that many major promoters were coordinating their actions and working together for the greater good.

Well this whole Haymon/PBC thing is a unique situation, but I think HBO & Showtime have had large promoter stables in the past. I think these days HBO & Showtime seem to deal with less promoters than ever. Although I do consider the bolded above as PBC Promoters more than their own unique brand due to them not succeeding off of their own fighters so much as Haymon's freelancing roster. That maybe fair or unfair, but like I said its a unique situation so I think its worth looking at differently than you'd usually look at it.

But with HBO's budget shrinking, Showtime's growing, Haymon finding wallstreet money and Schaefer finding swiss banker money, HBO is ****ed.

Again I don't think this gots to be a win or die situation for HBO or anyone else. HBO has been kicking Showtime's ass since the 90's & Showtime is still around. But again I am of the opinion HBO isn't long for the boxing business & I suspect we could be seeing boxing on Netflix or Hulu within the next 3-5 years & HBO could be going into MMA or hell maybe something else entirely like that crazy ass sword fighting league thing or something since Game of Thrones is so f#cking popular lol.

HBO can't fix boxing because HBO has no money. HBO is standing in the way of others fixing boxing. Once HBO boxing is gone, the takeover is complete.

Idk about all that. I mean no they can't fix boxing, but no one entity can do that. Hell man even if this PBC/WBSS/AIBA new age boxing overthrow situation thats going on succeeds someone is still going to need to actually put a stake through the heart of these bs a$$ alphabet groups & right now it sounds like WBSS is supporting their f#ckery along with PBC. Granted that could easily be a long con for a long plan, but still the alphabet groups gotta go or one alphabet group needs to end the others for boxing to be fixed & I don't see that happening anytime soon. Therefore any takeover being complete is a long ways off best case scenario.