When fans perceive a threat

[Robbie Barrett]

Or maybe they see choose to look at what he has actually done rather than believe the hype. I'm not even a Brook fan but it's ridiculous what some of the Spence fanboys have been saying about Brook running scared and generally discrediting what Brook has done but at the same time rave about what Spence has done.

That's what happens in sports it's banter between fans. When fans start building opponents up instead of tearing them down it's because they're being defensive, they know themselves it's not a competitive fight.

[NaijaD]

That's what happens in sports it's banter between fans. When fans start building opponents up instead of tearing them down it's because they're being defensive, they know themselves it's not a competitive fight.

Couldn't have said it better myself..... these guys don't get it, I'm not attacking them or criticising them for discrediting Spence, it's what fans of an adversary are supposed to do when the stakes are high.

Most of these guys are too defensive, Spence is not some untouchable prodigy that can't be criticised but he's enough of a threat to Brook that fans of Brook (and GGG, let's be honest) don't need to build him up in the fashion that Golovkin fans did with Lemieux, Brook and most recently Jacobs.

[Madison Boxing]

At no point did I blame GGG fans for anything, I simply compared 2 examples demonstrating the difference in how fanbases reacted to an opponent.

As for your claim that GGG fans are not building up Jacobs? .... lool seriously?

Are Maxi and Bigdramashow not Golovkin fans, granted they are not the most intelligent but they are fans nonetheless. Both those guys have been building up Jacobs since the fight got signed. Bigdramashow is asking if beating Jacobs makes Golovkin P4P number 1. Looooool!!

If you can take the opinions of Kigali, Sugarkainehook (terrible posters) as proof of people claiming Golovkin was scared of Jacobs then I sure as hell can use the opinions of Maxi and Bigdramashow to demonstrate my point of Golovkin fans building Jacobs up.

it was more than them two. Redfoxx said jacobs would beat GGG and then when the fight got announced he changed his prediction. Dont tell me that the opinion of jacobs hasnt changed. Hes gradually gone from being a legitimate threat, to someone whos only marginally better than anyone else GGG has fought. I sometimes think i see a different forum to everyone else, cause ive got you and people saying 'oh its only a couple of posters downplaying jacobs' 'its only a couple of posters hyping spence' thats complete and utter ****e. Sift through any of there threads and you'll see what i mean

[NaijaD]

it was more than them two. Redfoxx said jacobs would beat GGG and then when the fight got announced he changed his prediction. Dont tell me that the opinion of jacobs hasnt changed. Hes gradually gone from being a legitimate threat, to someone whos only marginally better than anyone else GGG has fought. I sometimes think i see a different forum to everyone else, cause ive got you and people saying 'oh its only a couple of posters downplaying jacobs' 'its only a couple of posters hyping spence' thats complete and utter ****e. Sift through any of there threads and you'll see what i mean

If Red did that then shame on him, that's not something I'd expect from him....

You were caught red handed changing your opinion on Jacobs once the fight got signed. He instantly went from having no chance to being a serious threat.

I can not take you seriously on the subject.

[b00g13man]

Or maybe they see choose to look at what he has actually done rather than believe the hype. I'm not even a Brook fan but it's ridiculous what some of the Spence fanboys have been saying about Brook running scared and generally discrediting what Brook has done but at the same time rave about what Spence has done.

You say that like he's done much.

[LetOutTheCage]

You say that like he's done much.

No I say it like Brook has done more than Spence which up until this point he has.

[NaijaD]

No I say it like Brook has done more than Spence which up until this point he has.

I agree he has done more than Spence but he hasn't done enough to act like he's above sharing a ring with Spence, especially when he's the mandatory. He's not a Floyd or Pac where the rules don't apply to him. Getting TKO'd by Golovkin does not mean you deserve the big fights, if Brook retired today how will he be remembered?

The funny thing is people trying to act Brook doesn't need Spence but guess what? .... he would easily be the second best name on his resume.

Why have the scalp of one undefeated American when you can have 2.

[LetOutTheCage]

I agree he has done more than Spence but he hasn't done enough to act like he's above sharing a ring with Spence, especially when he's the mandatory. He's not a Floyd or Pac where the rules don't apply to him. Getting TKO'd by Golovkin does not mean you deserve the big fights, if Brook retired today how will he be remembered?

The funny thing is people trying to act Brook doesn't need Spence but guess what? .... he would easily be the second best name on his resume.

Why have the scalp of one undefeated American when you can have 2.

Of course he hasn't, Brook's resume is pretty thin and that's being nice. I think Brook's biggest concerns are his eye and going back down to WW. After that he's clearly looking for a big money fight which is why he has been chasing Khan and Cotto who are far bigger names than unknown Spence. I dont think Brook would be ****** enough to think Spence shouldn't share the same ring as him. I also dont think he afraid of Spence like some one here have suggested.

As a neutral I hope the fight gets made, I would like to see just how good Spence really is, whether he justifies the ridiculous amount of hype he is getting or whether he turns out to be another Lacey.

[al-Xander]

The Brook vs Spence fight seems like it will be made now and I'm really excited about it and honestly can't pick a winner, which is why I lobbied for this over the Khan fight which was never happening to be honest.

What I noticed is that you don't see people who are backing Brook trying to build Spence up, they are tearing him down and downplaying his worthiness of the hype he has received. This is GOOD, this tells you we have a real fight on our hands.

Compare that to the Golovkin vs Jacobs fight where we have those backing GGG trying to build Jacobs up and basically sell the fight to us, this tells me it's not perceived as a competitive fight and deep down those fans don't see Jacobs as a threat.

I don't think anyone would argue that both Brook and Golovkin are favourites heading into the fights but you can't deny that there is a difference in how both these fights are being discussed on here and it comes down to Spence being seen as a threat where as Jacobs isn't. So call Spence the next Jeff Lacy or American hype job or whatever but the truth is (pun intended) you know he's a worthy opponent and a threat otherwise you would be trying to build him up like Jacobs so you can overrate the win rather than tear him down.

Just my thoughts on the fight.

You should just be concerned to what you think of fighters, whether they're legit or not, in your own eyes. For example, is Jacobs a legit opponent for GGG or not, and explain why?

[NaijaD]

You should just be concerned to what you think of fighters, whether they're legit or not, in your own eyes. For example, is Jacobs a legit opponent for GGG or not, and explain why?

I've always said Jacobs was a good fight for Golovkin, you can attempt to prove otherwise. I've also been on record many times to say that I don't see how Jacobs wins. So while Jacobs is a legit opponent, he is not a legit threat to him, to be fair a lot of that has to do with how good Golovkin is.

A fighter can be a legit opponent but not a legit threat, let me give some examples.

Tony Bellew is not a legit opponent for David Haye and he is not a legit threat either.

Wladmir Klitschko is a legit opponent for Anthony Joshua, he is also a legit threat.

Jason Sosa is a legit opponent for Lomachenko but he is not a legit threat.

Basically you can have a legit opponent who is worthy of sharing the ring with said fighter but that opponent may not have much of a chance to win.

Spence is a legit opponent and a legit threat. Of course this is subjective so there is room for disagreement, I'm just trying to carefully explain my standing.