Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: In The Eyes of The People - I Beat Floyd Mayweather

[Reloaded]

I'm taller than your hero Floyd. I'm also 100% ALL NATURAL and Floyd is NOT!!! You Floyd fans were so proud of Floyd for that .... not anymore!

You just cannot stand that the truth came out about your hero Floyd and so you are all defensive about it!

You are not a natural human, you're a weirdo .

[LetOutTheCage]

Hahaha this is embarrassing

[AneesMoha]

Look I am a Pacquiao fan. But he needs to do 3 things.

1) I know he is a Senator in the Philippines but he needs to stop saying ****** **** about social issues. Yes he is entitled to his opinion but there are some times you just got let people do their own thing as long as they are not breaking any laws.

2) Just take the L against Mayweather. No amount of moaning or excuses are going to change the result. Just admit he was better on the night and move on. Like Clinton Winning the popular vote or Trump saying that his inauguration was the most watched in the history of the Universe, It doesn't matter because Clinton didn't win the Elctoral college, Trump and Facts are polar opposites and those 3 Judges didn't think you did enough to win (and rightfully so). I know it sucks being on the other end of it but now you know how Marquez felt.

[Spoon23]

Look I am a Pacquiao fan. But he needs to do 3 things.

Just take the L against Mayweather. No amount of moaning or excuses are going to change the result. Just admit he was better on the night and move on. Like Clinton Winning the popular vote or Trump saying that his inauguration was the most watched in the history of the Universe, It doesn't matter because Clinton didn't win the Elctoral college, Trump and Facts are polar opposites and those 3 Judges didn't think you did enough to win (and rightfully so). I know it sucks being on the other end of it but now you know how Marquez felt.

Naah, winning is about earning it.. certainly Floyd didn't earn this marathon hugging event especially when evidences points to Pac actually winning it.



# winning is about earning it

# especially when the world saw Pac was and is the true winner

Here's what the world saw.. Enjoy!

You already did win Manny! Now do it in better fashion this time around.

[travestyny]

1.
Actually they do mention that if just mild or moderate then drink fluids. As I posted above.

WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration. “For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative.
http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative...eather-iv-tue/

I challenge you to find anywhere that says this must have been an emergency. You won't find it.

2. BOTH Floyd and those people declared use of an IV before requesting and receiving a TUE approval.

WRONG!!! DUDE, PAY ATTENTION:

Mr. Mayweather disclosed the infusion to USADA in advance of the IV being administered to
him.
http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf

3. A desire to have it does not mean that they requested a TUE beforehand. The request came 3 weeks after using an IV.
Floyd declared IV was used BEFORE giving his urine sample.

This is a FLAT OUT LIE.
Mr. Mayweather provided partial urine samples to USADA both prior to and following the infusion. The urine provided by Mr. Mayweather on May 1, 2015, was subsequently tested and has been reported by the World Anti-Doping Agency accredited laboratory as negative.”
http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf

How would he go about declaring it was used before giving a urine sample if he gave a urine sample to USADA's DCO before the IV was administered?

Jessica Phillips declared use of an IV BEFORE a test as well.

a) USADA announced today that Jessica Phillips, of Kennesaw, Georgia an athlete in the sport of weightlifting, has accepted a 14-month sanction for her use of a prohibited method.
During an out-of-competition test on April 25, 2016, Phillips, 25, declared the use of an intravenous infusion of non-prohibited substances. A subsequent investigation by USADA revealed that the intravenous infusion received by Phillips was administered in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period under the care of a physician.

intravenous infusions in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period are prohibited – except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. Intravenous infusions or injections received in any other setting require an approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE).

Phillips period of ineligibility began on April 25, 2016, the date her use was declared. In addition, Phillips has been disqualified from all competitive results obtained on and subsequent to April 25, 2016, including forfeiture of any medals, points, and prizes.


b) During an out-of-competition test on March 25, 2016, Penn declared the use of an intravenous infusion of a non-prohibited substance that was administered by a doctor. A subsequent investigation by USADA revealed that the intravenous infusion received by Penn was administered in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period. Under the UFC Anti-Doping Policy, intravenous infusions in a volume greater than 50 mL within a 6 hour period are prohibited, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. Intravenous infusions received in any other setting require an approved The****utic Use Exemption (TUE).

Penn, 37, voluntarily disclosed his use of the intravenous infusion and fully cooperated with USADA’s investigation into the circumstances regarding his violation.


So USADA didn't care about if they declared the IVs beforehand. They still needed to have a TUE prior to using the IV

Both of these cases are athletes that HAD THE IV ADMINISTERED AND LATER TOLD USADA THAT THEY DID IT.

Floyd Mayweather TOLD USADA OF HIS WISH TO HAVE THE IV DONE BEFORE HE HAD IT ADMINISTERED. This is obvious to anyone who is not so blinded by hate because THE DCO WAS WITH HIM BEFORE THE IV AND STAYED WITH HIM FOR THE ENTIRE TIME UNTIL SAMPLE COLLECTION WAS COMPLETED. Once again:

Mr. Mayweather disclosed the infusion to USADA in advance of the IV being administered to him.

4. They gave Floyd a vitamin laced IV ****tail. Not something that was for hyponatremia!!!


Secondly, if you have hyponatremia, you go to a hospital where they do an examination and order lab tests to be done. Once the tests are verified, the right IV type of IV is prescribed and importantly given at a timely manner. Given too quick or wrong type of IV can make things worse not better.


Floyd was not sent to no hospital.

5. Delays and allowed to use an IV without having a prior TUE is what was the issue. And knowing that Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated because everything pointed to him being OK. So stop hiding behind that fake medical note of Floyd's.

We know. You are a physician, an anti-doping expert, an MRO, an athlete...you are all of these things.

But really I just think you are an obsessed fan who can't get over the fact that his favorite boxer lost to his biggest rival. Honestly, that's what this is really about. Once again, you don't have any medical records and you have no idea what you are talking about.

All that is given to them is the doctor's note. If the note is convincing enough then Floyd is cleared. This is Floyd's doctor who Floyd pays to write this just like Lance Armstrong got his doctor to prescribe and back-date his prescription. Its the oldest trick in the book! That is why they state that you must have a TUE PRIOR to using.

Floyd's doctor was not even there. How do I know this? Floyd thanks Dr Alex Ariza!!!!!!! So stop this BS about a TUEC having to be in on it. While they might in this case since USADA has a relationship with Floyd, it's not even necessary.

6. Floyd delayed and used an IV .... text book Lance Armstrong who also was supposedly CLEAN and his fans said the same as you .....

Now if we had nothing on Floyd, I'm OK with your response but the simple fact is that we have a lot on Floyd just before Floyd got his IV and even video interviews just after his IV.

We even have Floyd's own words from different interviews. He blames it all on giving urine, giving blood and exercising a little bit of exercise the day before to stay sharp. Pretend Manny said that and he used a BANNED METHOD? You would have a firing squad on Manny by now!!!

Floyd even said, others use Pedialyte, I used an IV.

Plus we have the video above saying that he has an advantage because his weight is relatively stable yet used an IV???



BUT the above is all deflections.

YOU admitted that Diaz could rehydrate in less than an hour to go from extreme dehydration to very diluted. So why did Floyd need an IV if we saw Floyd drink and an adequate amount of time passed so that Floyd would have been rehydrated even before he left MGM that day.

When are you going to stop with your inaccurate information and speculations. Do you really think that WADA just accepts any bullshlt letter that any doctor can write up? Especially after what happened with Lance Armstrong? Do you think the 3 or more independent doctors on the TUEC have no idea what they are doing? You are simply talking out of your ass and you are extremely disrespectful to people who have devoted many years of their lives studying and training to become experts at their field of work.

A. Medical history
A summary of the athlete’s history and the findings of a physical examination should confirm the diagnosis and establish the need for an IV infusion. A precise description of the clinical situation and specific medical indication for the IV infusion must be given in the TUE application.

The emphasis on "precise" comes from WADA, not me.

B. Diagnostic criteria
A clearly defined diagnosis should be established in accordance with the International Classification of Diseases standards of the World Health Organization (ICD-10).

C. Relevant medical information
A detailed description of the substance to be infused, the rate of infusion and any other relevant clinical information from the treating physician should be included. It must be demonstrated why an alternative permitted therapy, for example oral rehydration in case of dehydration, is not a valid option. Any existing co-morbidities that would influence the decision for granting a TUE should also be included.

All of the above must come from a physician. Is Alex Ariza a physician, or are you just completely making up this Dr. Alex Ariza thing? Seriously. Does he even have a doctorate, because if not, he wouldn't have been able to fill out this paperwork.

Plus, it does NOT have to be a TUE that is approved prior to the IV being administered. YOU ARE FLAT OUT LYING!!! What the hell is wrong with you. USADA already put out their paper for all to see, including WADA, and you think it's flat out lying???

When an athlete has an approved TUE, as in the case of Mr. Mayweather, who received a retroactive TUE for his use of an IV containing saline and vitamins, it is not a violation of the WADA rules to use the substance or method.
Retroactive TUEs are a standard part of the WADA International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE).

USADA put that out TO THE PUBLIC. WADA is well aware of this case, as I've already showed you. YOU ARE MAKING UP SO MANY LIES!

Just let it go. You have nothing.

[travestyny]

You are not a natural human, you're a weirdo .

LMAO!!!! Man, this seriously nearly made me spit my drink all over my computer.

[ADP02]

WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration. “For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative.
http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative...eather-iv-tue/

I challenge you to find anywhere that says this must have been an emergency. You won't find it.

That does NOT mean that anyone who is dehydrated gets a RETRO TUE!!!! They just said its possible but we BOTH know that already. The reasons are few and must meet a specific criteria.

Challenge? Here is what I meant and its from WADA:

"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature."

WRONG!!! DUDE, PAY ATTENTION:

Mr. Mayweather disclosed the infusion to USADA in advance of the IV being administered to
him.
http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf

Just to remind you, this is what you said that I was wrong about. I'm NOT wrong!

BOTH Floyd and those people declared use of an IV before requesting and receiving a TUE approval.

This is a FLAT OUT LIE.
Mr. Mayweather provided partial urine samples to USADA both prior to and following the infusion. The urine provided by Mr. Mayweather on May 1, 2015, was subsequently tested and has been reported by the World Anti-Doping Agency accredited laboratory as negative.”
http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf

How would he go about declaring it was used before giving a urine sample if he gave a urine sample to USADA's DCO before the IV was administered?

MORE deflections! Here was my point from my statement and you know it!

A desire to have it does not mean that FLOYD or those other athletes requested a TUE beforehand. For Floyd, the request came 3 weeks after using an IV.

Secondly, he gave just a partial sample which was insufficient! In which was mixed with the remaining urine sample AFTER the IV!

Both of these cases are athletes that HAD THE IV ADMINISTERED AND LATER TOLD USADA THAT THEY DID IT.

Floyd Mayweather TOLD USADA OF HIS WISH TO HAVE THE IV DONE BEFORE HE HAD IT ADMINISTERED. This is obvious to anyone who is not so blinded by hate because THE DCO WAS WITH HIM BEFORE THE IV AND STAYED WITH HIM FOR THE ENTIRE TIME UNTIL SAMPLE COLLECTION WAS COMPLETED. Once again:

Mr. Mayweather disclosed the infusion to USADA in advance of the IV being administered to him.

WHAT? So which would be more effective against a urine sample? An IV from days ago or one just before giving your sample? lol! Lance Armstrong can answer that easy question!


If someone can effectively mask the banned substance, then the best time to do it is just before giving your urine sample. Even better when you have the excuse of saying that whatever was in the IV was for dehydration. So if the sample cannot find the banned substance that was in that urine sample before, too bad! BUT THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!!!

We know. You are a physician, an anti-doping expert, an MRO, an athlete...you are all of these things.

But really I just think you are an obsessed fan who can't get over the fact that his favorite boxer lost to his biggest rival. Honestly, that's what this is really about. Once again, you don't have any medical records and you have no idea what you are talking about.

More deflections.

Listen. It just does NOT add up. Go back and listen to Floyd's interviews. He tells you why he used an IV. Its clear enough for you and I know you are smart enough to realize that Floyd was NOT telling the truth because his lies are all BS!!!

For Nick Diaz, they said that Nick looked fine and so he didn't have hyponatremia.

Well, we all saw Floyd fine as a daisy, vitals all normal and didn't go to a hospital. So to say that for you, with Floyd, you need to be an expert and all to understand that something is fishy. While with Nick Diaz, you get what hyponatremia is and understand that Nick didn't have it for several reasons including YOU bringing up that he did not go to the hospital ..... and YOU think that the results are fishy.

So then YOU are yourself an expert only when you want to be! lol too bad you are a bad one

When are you going to stop with your inaccurate information and speculations. Do you really think that WADA just accepts any bullshlt letter that any doctor can write up? Especially after what happened with Lance Armstrong? Do you think the 3 or more independent doctors on the TUEC have no idea what they are doing? You are simply talking out of your ass and you are extremely disrespectful to people who have devoted many years of their lives studying and training to become experts at their field of work.

A. Medical history
A summary of the athlete’s history and the findings of a physical examination should confirm the diagnosis and establish the need for an IV infusion. A precise description of the clinical situation and specific medical indication for the IV infusion must be given in the TUE application.

The emphasis on "precise" comes from WADA, not me.

B. Diagnostic criteria
A clearly defined diagnosis should be established in accordance with the International Classification of Diseases standards of the World Health Organization (ICD-10).

C. Relevant medical information
A detailed description of the substance to be infused, the rate of infusion and any other relevant clinical information from the treating physician should be included. It must be demonstrated why an alternative permitted therapy, for example oral rehydration in case of dehydration, is not a valid option. Any existing co-morbidities that would influence the decision for granting a TUE should also be included.

All of the above must come from a physician. Is Alex Ariza a physician, or are you just completely making up this Dr. Alex Ariza thing? Seriously. Does he even have a doctorate, because if not, he wouldn't have been able to fill out this paperwork.

Plus, it does NOT have to be a TUE that is approved prior to the IV being administered. YOU ARE FLAT OUT LYING!!! What the hell is wrong with you. USADA already put out their paper for all to see, including WADA, and you think it's flat out lying???

When an athlete has an approved TUE, as in the case of Mr. Mayweather, who received a retroactive TUE for his use of an IV containing saline and vitamins, it is not a violation of the WADA rules to use the substance or method.
Retroactive TUEs are a standard part of the WADA International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE).

USADA put that out TO THE PUBLIC. WADA is well aware of this case, as I've already showed you. YOU ARE MAKING UP SO MANY LIES!

Just let it go. You have nothing.

Sorry but I verified and showed you what WADA thinks and sees is happening in the real world. They bring up that ADO's and LABs have made mistakes or have not been as forceful as they should when applying the WADA Code. Even WADA have been criticized in the past for not going after as much as they should be against people and or organizations and so on. For example, in Brazil, they let quite a few athletes participate where they more than likely shouldn't. Fans were booing at those


Again, you do NOT hand out TUEs and more so RETRO TUEs like candy. As you saw, USADA does not for IVs. What did USADA say? Did they say that they should have declared moments before the urine sample was collected? Nope they said that the athletes required a TUE!!! Floyd did not have one at the time that he was given the IV. Floyd requested it 3 weeks later!


Medical reason?
You have nothing that makes sense as to why Floyd used an IV to correct this problem. If you have let me know what it is and why an IV instead of the fluids that we saw him drink makes any sense!!!! Why not use something that was NOT banned and a very good substitute? Water (we saw him drink), fluids with electrolytes or pedialyte as Floyd mentioned?


- weighed relatively the same for a decade including the night of the IV. So how was he even dehydrated? No loss in weight and uses an IV when its BANNED!!!
- Gave urine
- Gave blood 10 days before (<1 tbsp)
- a bit of exercise the day before just to stay sharp
- brings up in an interview soon after getting the IV that he has an advantage that unlike others who need to drain themselves and rehydrate themselves 15-20-30lbs, he doesn't need to. Why? Floyd explains why. BECUASE HE WEIGHS 150, then says 148 .... so to say, he has no issues when it comes that.

So then why the IV!!!


Read the above and remember that we saw him drinking adequately after the weigh in. EXPLAIN ALL THAT EXPERT!!! YOU CANNOT!!!




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[ADP02]

You are not a natural human, you're a weirdo .

My friend RELOADED.

Still stuck up that I bring up that you used to hate CWs but now, not so much anymore.


- Look at my SIG. I hate CWs!
Floyd does CWs

- Athletes must be 100% NATURAL like Floyd!
Floyd is NOT 100% NATURAL


You know how people talk about you right? I just discuss and try not to make it a personal thing. Instead of how you responded, try to reciprocate next time with something that we can discuss.



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[travestyny]

That does NOT mean that anyone who is dehydrated gets a RETRO TUE!!!! They just said its possible but we BOTH know that already. The reasons are few and must meet a specific criteria.

Challenge? Here is what I meant and its from WADA:

"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature."





Just to remind you, this is what you said that I was wrong about. I'm NOT wrong!

BOTH Floyd and those people declared use of an IV before requesting and receiving a TUE approval.





MORE deflections! Here was my point from my statement and you know it!

A desire to have it does not mean that FLOYD or those other athletes requested a TUE beforehand. For Floyd, the request came 3 weeks after using an IV.

Secondly, he gave just a partial sample which was insufficient! In which was mixed with the remaining urine sample AFTER the IV!






WHAT? So which would be more effective against a urine sample? An IV from days ago or one just before giving your sample? lol! Lance Armstrong can answer that easy question!


If someone can effectively mask the banned substance, then the best time to do it is just before giving your urine sample. Even better when you have the excuse of saying that whatever was in the IV was for dehydration. So if the sample cannot find the banned substance that was in that urine sample before, too bad! BUT THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!!!










More deflections.

Listen. It just does NOT add up. Go back and listen to Floyd's interviews. He tells you why he used an IV. Its clear enough for you and I know you are smart enough to realize that Floyd was NOT telling the truth because his lies are all BS!!!

For Nick Diaz, they said that Nick looked fine and so he didn't have hyponatremia.

Well, we all saw Floyd fine as a daisy, vitals all normal and didn't go to a hospital. So to say that for you, with Floyd, you need to be an expert and all to understand that something is fishy. While with Nick Diaz, you get what hyponatremia is and understand that Nick didn't have it for several reasons including YOU bringing up that he did not go to the hospital ..... and YOU think that the results are fishy.

So then YOU are yourself an expert only when you want to be! lol too bad you are a bad one






Sorry but I verified and showed you what WADA thinks and sees is happening in the real world. They bring up that ADO's and LABs have made mistakes or have not been as forceful as they should when applying the WADA Code. Even WADA have been criticized in the past for not going after as much as they should be against people and or organizations and so on. For example, in Brazil, they let quite a few athletes participate where they more than likely shouldn't. Fans were booing at those


Again, you do NOT hand out TUEs and more so RETRO TUEs like candy. As you saw, USADA does not for IVs. What did USADA say? Did they say that they should have declared moments before the urine sample was collected? Nope they said that the athletes required a TUE!!! Floyd did not have one at the time that he was given the IV. Floyd requested it 3 weeks later!


Medical reason?
You have nothing that makes sense as to why Floyd used an IV to correct this problem. If you have let me know what it is and why an IV instead of the fluids that we saw him drink makes any sense!!!! Why not use something that was NOT banned and a very good substitute? Water (we saw him drink), fluids with electrolytes or pedialyte as Floyd mentioned?


- weighed relatively the same for a decade including the night of the IV. So how was he even dehydrated? No loss in weight and uses an IV when its BANNED!!!
- Gave urine
- Gave blood 10 days before (<1 tbsp)
- a bit of exercise the day before just to stay sharp
- brings up in an interview soon after getting the IV that he has an advantage that unlike others who need to drain themselves and rehydrate themselves 15-20-30lbs, he doesn't need to. Why? Floyd explains why. BECUASE HE WEIGHS 150, then says 148 .... so to say, he has no issues when it comes that.

So then why the IV!!!


Read the above and remember that we saw him drinking adequately after the weigh in. EXPLAIN ALL THAT EXPERT!!! YOU CANNOT!!!




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Dude, you're a butthurt fan boy that really can't understand the simplest concepts.

1. The athletes you mentioned had the IV AND THEN revealed it to USADA. Floyd mayweather was in the presence of a USADA agent, who witnessed his need for the IV that he had at a later time. If you can't see the difference, well then you're a moron. It's that simple.

2. USADA has told you that a retroactive TUE for IV use is acceptable. WADA has told you that a retroactive TUE for IV use is acceptable. Yet you don't believe either. That's pretty damn ******.

3. The TUEC reviewed Mayweather's case and approved the TUE application without being aware of who the applicant was. That right there shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Stop asking me to prove it. There is nothing that needs to be proven by me. When you get his medical records, YOU prove that they were fraudulent.

4. You have no idea about drug testing, do you? Lance Armstrong used an IV FOR BLOOD TESTS. Mayweather TOOK URINE TESTS. The urine WAS NOT DILUTED. We've gone through this already. Yet you keep bringing up Lance Armstrong, who by the way was found to be doping ONCE THE URINE TEST FOR EPO WAS PUT INTO USE. That's right. URINE TEST. Are you getting this yet? An IV masks a urine sample IF IT DILUTES THE URINE. WADA's rules don't allow it. Give the **** up.

5. WADA's rules say the partial sample is mixed with the other partial sample. Both are not diluted and together they are not diluted. And we aren't talking about threshold substances. If anything is in the urine, it will be found.

6. Your statements about hyponatremia is foolish. I've told you over and over that I don't know what Floyd had, but I can't rule out hyponatrmia. Certainly he didn't have severe hyponatremia. Did he have a mild or moderate case of hyponatremia. Perhaps you know?

7. Yes, you don't hand out TUE's like candy. Thanks for being a parrot. Now since you know that, maybe you can understand that the 3 independent doctors on the TUEC maybe....DIDN'T HAND OUT THE TUEC LIKE CANDY.

Where was your information about Ariza's doctorate? I was waiting. You mean to tell me that Floyd's physician had to fill out very detailed paperwork about his medical history and his specific ailment that necessitated the IV. You don't say? And the 3 doctors reviewed this information and found it to be legit and worthy? Seems that's the way it went down to me. Keep speculating that these 3 doctors didn't need to be given detailed information or that they would just accept any false thing written up by a doctor. The report had to be PRECISE and DETAILED.

Yawnnnnnn. You have nothing. Stop ****ing crying.

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WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao is slated to return on April 22nd, in a fight with undefeated 2012 Australian Olympian Jeff Horn (16-0-1, 11 KOs). Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank, will be meeting with the boxer in the coming days to finalize the financial terms for the contest - which is likely to take place in Australia.
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