Comments Thread For: DeGale-Jack Drew an Average of 454,000 Viewers on Showtime

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Mother ****ers who Doubt GGG as a Draw get Butt hurt over these Numbers

That's good. Showtime has to keep the momentum going. They can't keep taking these long breaks. And that's very good for these two fighters.

They need to do something. Because now they have some good fights coming, it's a shame no one is watching. It could spiral into refusing to put on good fights.

Look at this f*ggot. Showtime is bring you stacked cards on premium cable and CBS and this HBO nuthugger is crying about ratings. What a pathetic pile of ****.

Holy shiiit dude get your blood pressure checked. Great, they have some good cards. But thus post is about their numbers. Why the **** you hear acting like guys stuck it in your mother?

Showing off your high IQ as always. Aren't you the dumb b*tch always throwing out rating numbers? Stay in your lane Pigeon.

Ratings only mattern when it's GGG fighting.

Haha you ****ing nuthugger. Espinoza just put on a card that gave you a young champion in a breakout performance and a Fight of the Year candidate (knockdowns, blood, broken teeth), and all you have to say is... "well the ratings ****** so you should fire the guy that just booked that crazy card".

You are a demented lunatic. Maybe while they're at it, when they fire Espinoza, they should just cancel Frampton-Santa Cruz 2, Broner-Granados, and Thurman-Garcia too. I mean why not?

Actually, with the quality of the fights being so good, one should ask what the **** is Espinoza doing that is leading to a shrinking audience. GGG v Wade did over 1m. GGG v Brook did 800k in the states in early afternoon in a U.K. Fight.

It's fair to ask what's going on. Especially since low numbers all but ensures that fights like these happen less often. Who the **** is going to fight these guys if fights like Charlo v J-Rock and Degale v Jack don't even break 500k.

At some point the rating have to catch up with the Haymon purse.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

I don't mean to come off as angry, I just wanted to take a second to humiliate you.

Humiliate him, what! You just came off like he was a friend of yours that just plowed your girlfriend.

If your goal wasn't to humiliate yourself then you failed miserably

Showtime execs are likely asking the same questions, why don't you write them a letter championing Espanoza. Free Espinoza!!!

That Kovalev-Ward PPV (160k) wasn't a good look at all for the future of boxing on premium cable.

I have to agree with you, the PPV model looks wounded. Everything since Floyd/Manny has fallen short of what they once would have been. You do a simple social media mention of boxing, the whose who of boxing still under perform.

GGG can average 1.2m on paid cable, but his ppv does less than 150. Kov v Ward is a mega fight, falls way short. Canelo is the biggest star in boxing and we only get unofficial numbers from Golden Boy. And even the ones they give us look low. HBO refused to give them, my guess it's worse than that.

With so few watching these great fights, fans should expect fights to continue to take forever to be made.

[DoktorSleepless]

Dude those numbers are shocking. That wouldn't be top 4 on FNF a few years back. But I guess your argument is Lara is not as radioactive as it seems, ok

I think you're underestimating how much FNF ratings sunk before getting cancelled. It averaged:
669k in 2007
509k in 2008
543k in 2009
497k in 2010
543k in 2011
409K in 2012
349k in 2013
393k in 2014

Also, PBC has attracted the younger key demographic. The 18-49 demo only made up 22% of FNF viewers in 2011, while about 40% of Lara-Foreman viewers were in the 18-49 demo. That means twice as many 18-49 year olds watched Lara-Foreman than what FNF used to average.

[ThatDude44]

Can't use the excuse that the numbers were low because of the NFL Playoffs because this has been a trend of low ratings for a long time now from showtime. 2 years ago they were doing double this and neck and neck with HBO and now a unification fight can't even crack 500k. HBO boxing after dark got under cards with prospects doing 600k or more viewers.

I don't think ShowTime/CBS cares that 29 mil watched CBS. It's a win for them.

[Jsmooth9876]

Because Showtime doesn't care about the public numbers, they care about their internal numbers. Espinoza's job is very very safe. He doesn't have to try to artificially inflate the numbers like they do over at HBO because the boxing heads are always so afraid of getting canned.

I'll give you a few examples of why there is such a disparity between HBO & Showtime boxing numbers, beyond the obvious (which is the fact that HBO is in more homes than Showtime).

#1 - Showtime allows subscribers to watch their fights live on "Showtime Anytime," which artificially lowers the Nielson numbers, but is in the best interest of their subscribers. HBO does not allow subscribers to watch their fights live on "HBO GO," because they do not want to take any viewers away from the Nielson number.

#2 - Showtime aggressively replays their events throughout the evening and rest of the weekend on various channels. Making their fights as easy and convenient to watch as possible, but to the detriment of that live Nielson number. HBO on the other hand will have that Sunday morning replay, but makes sure if you want to watch Saturday, you have to watch that one airing, refusing to replay in the middle of the night in hopes of beefing up that first Nielson number.

#3 - To make watching fights on HBO GO as undesirable as possible, HBO often waits until TUESDAY to begin uploading their fights, whereas Showtime will quickly get the fights up on Showtime Anytime. Again, HBO's approach inflates that Nielson number, while Showtime's approach reduces it. But showtime is putting the fan first by giving them so many options and making it as convenient as possible to watch whenever and however you want.

#4 - HBO clips their broadcasts and only makes the fight itself, bell to bell, available VOD, whereas Showtime will allow subscribers to watch the entire event from start to finish. Doing this makes it very undesirable to watch HBO boxing any way other than live on traditional cable, whereas Showtime's approach makes it very convenient to watch any time, anywhere, without missing any of the broadcast.

For those reasons and more, the Showtime & HBO boxing numbers can be deceiving. Showtime is doing what is best for their subscribers while HBO is doing what is best for keeping up appearances.

Lol, this guy tried so hard...
Fact of the matter is showtime has lost half its audience in the last few years and like me, I bet a lot cancelled last year when Haymon took all the fights off their network to other channels.. showtime offers almost nothing else worth watching for me so I'm not paying the monthly fee anymore.. this is not a knock on the fights they're putting in now, they are of high quality...

[bojangles1987]

It really sucks how far and fast boxing ratings have fallen.

[asgarth]

are ratings for lara foreman already published?

[BrometheusBob.]

I'm trying to put this into a little perspective. How does this compare with other Showtime cards of recent memory?

These numbers are clearly not exciting, but they don't seem horrendous for a fight between two largely unknown boxers.

[BrometheusBob.]

Fun fact: Lara-Foreman averaged 528k viewers.

Woah, that's wild dude. I was under the impression that this fight would have done quite a bit better than Lara-Foreman... but I was wrong

The more I'm looking into it the less good these numbers seem. Too bad, it was a great fight between two good boxers.

[bigdunny1]

Because Showtime doesn't care about the public numbers, they care about their internal numbers. Espinoza's job is very very safe. He doesn't have to try to artificially inflate the numbers like they do over at HBO because the boxing heads are always so afraid of getting canned.

I'll give you a few examples of why there is such a disparity between HBO & Showtime boxing numbers, beyond the obvious (which is the fact that HBO is in more homes than Showtime).

#1 - Showtime allows subscribers to watch their fights live on "Showtime Anytime," which artificially lowers the Nielson numbers, but is in the best interest of their subscribers. HBO does not allow subscribers to watch their fights live on "HBO GO," because they do not want to take any viewers away from the Nielson number.

#2 - Showtime aggressively replays their events throughout the evening and rest of the weekend on various channels. Making their fights as easy and convenient to watch as possible, but to the detriment of that live Nielson number. HBO on the other hand will have that Sunday morning replay, but makes sure if you want to watch Saturday, you have to watch that one airing, refusing to replay in the middle of the night in hopes of beefing up that first Nielson number.

#3 - To make watching fights on HBO GO as undesirable as possible, HBO often waits until TUESDAY to begin uploading their fights, whereas Showtime will quickly get the fights up on Showtime Anytime. Again, HBO's approach inflates that Nielson number, while Showtime's approach reduces it. But showtime is putting the fan first by giving them so many options and making it as convenient as possible to watch whenever and however you want.

#4 - HBO clips their broadcasts and only makes the fight itself, bell to bell, available VOD, whereas Showtime will allow subscribers to watch the entire event from start to finish. Doing this makes it very undesirable to watch HBO boxing any way other than live on traditional cable, whereas Showtime's approach makes it very convenient to watch any time, anywhere, without missing any of the broadcast.

For those reasons and more, the Showtime & HBO boxing numbers can be deceiving. Showtime is doing what is best for their subscribers while HBO is doing what is best for keeping up appearances.

WOW what a bunch of horse shyt! LMAO
Now the showtime ratings are bad because they offer live streaming like every channel does? By the way HBO offers the same just not on HBOGO if you are looking for live stream you can get it by SlingTV, PlaystationVUE, DirectTVNow, and tons of other streaming TV providers. It's 2017 there is no channel that doesn't have a live stream. HBO included has been offering HBO live streams for well over a year. HBO just like Showtime replays their fights tons of times within the 24hrs after the fight. So if you miss it live you can catch the next morning, the afternoon, ect. Showtime DOESN'T put their fights up immediately ondemand. I know this for a fact because I told a buddy to check out the Degale fight the next day and it wasn't ondemand until middle of the week JUST LIKE HBO does.

But what really kills your argument is the Showtime ratings tanked and fell off a cliff not because they made some industry changes in how they provide their fights digitally but the moment Golden Boy/Haymon split was final. Last Golden Boy/Haymon card on Showtime did 1.24m viewers early 2015. The VERY next card on Showtime drew 600K who is a star and proven ratings draw. Chavez previous fight on HBO drew 1.4m. So why the mega drop in just a matter of months? It's simple Oscar took Canelo and all his fighters to HBO and Haymon created PBC and took all his fighters to other networks around the same time Floyd retired. Over night Showtime lost fighters and had a long stretch without fights. Viewers left in droves early 2015 and Showtime has been unable to get them to return. Any other excuses sound like when idiots blamed PBC for flopping on ESPN because they went head to head with WNBA on ESPN2. LMAO