Best Welterweight Ever?

[cple]

Trinidad is my boy, but man, he'd be outclassed by the likes of Leonard, Hearns, and even Duran. Trinidad has not faced anyone of their caliber; not De La Hoya, Wright, or Hopkins. The opposite is true for the fab 4. Leonard, Hearns, Duran, and Hagler have all faced opponents as good as, if not better than, Trinidad. They all possessed the needed boxing skill and punching power to seriously trouble Tito. If he was outclassed and shut out by Hopkins and Wright, i'd be afraid of what Leonard, Duran, and especially Hearns would do. And this is coming from a big fan of Felix.

As for the main discussion of greatest welterweight of all-time, i'd have to go with Sugar Ray Robinson. Sure, he might be slightly overrated in the sense that he wasn't invincible as people like to perceive. He did have some trouble with taller fighters and was slightly susceptible to a quick right cross. However, all in all, he was the best the 147 pound division has seen and i wouldn't bet against him in any bout at welterweight. He had the skill, dominance, and opposition to prove it.

Has there been any mention of Joe Walcott, Mickey Walker, Kid Gavilan? I always thought that Napoles was slightly underrated too. And you can't have a welterweight discussion without Henry Armstrong. Luis Rodriguez is often forgotten as well.

[Kid Canada]

Ray Robinson beat a bunch of nobodies
The list is so big I wont even start.

Dude...you have no ****ing idea what your talking about. Just to name a few, Jake Lamotta, Carmen Basillio, Gene Fulmer, Kid Galivan, Randy Turpin, ALL WORLD CHAMPIONS....and he beat them all. You wanna compare Tito to Ray Robinson. How did Tito do at Middleweight against B-Hop and Winky? All Ray Robinson did was hold the middleweight title on 5 different occasions.

[elgaringo]

Some of you guys talk soooo much **** its embarrassing! Im embarrassed for you! For a start Hagler should'nt be talked about as a welter! Your getting off the subject of the thread, And Sugar Ray Robinson "is" the best Welter of all time followed by Sugar Ray Leanard! You can argue about what comes next all day long......... Oh **** dont even bother this ****s getting tedious!!!!!

[Da Iceman]

ray robinson or ray leonard.

[ROSEWOOD]

1. You foreget De La Hoya

2. LOL at everything in bold

- hagler could not stand toe to toe with tito? LOL! he shook off hearns' best (and hearns hit stronger than tito) + as you say he was a MW.

- hearns could not stand toe to toe with tito? LOL he would not need to, because he would be able to outbox him and hit him with his right AT WILL. Hearns is a better boxer than De La Hoya, in fact he was outboxing Sugar Ray Leonard.

- leonard could not stand toe to toe with tito? LOL Leonard stood toe to toe with hearns who again hit harder than tito.

- hopkins was not known for being a defensive fighter until he was 40: he was known for roughing people up and destroy them, which he did to tito

- winky is not a middleweight he fought at 154 most of his fights

- Tito held a paper belt more than anyone else until he robbed De La Hoya, who was recognized as the lineal champion

Tito held a paper belt.....WHAT......you have to be kidding me..Tito whipped your favorite boxer I bet..Thats when people tend to hate other boxers...yep, i bet the farm that he beat the **** out of your favorite boxer..

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Tito held a paper belt.....WHAT......you have to be kidding me..Tito whipped your favorite boxer I bet..Thats when people tend to hate other boxers...yep, i bet the farm that he beat the **** out of your favorite boxer..

my favorite boxer = marvin hagler,
so no need to worry about my feelings: tito would have been slaughtered by hagler, not like hopkins did... much much worse.

tito held a paper belt until he won the lineal title robbing de la hoya.

how did tito win his IBF strap? go do some research an tell me what you find

de la hoya was the lineal champ having "beaten" whitaker

lineage goes back until donald curry who was considered to having beaten enough people after ray leonard vacated

don't talk about things you don't know...

and I find it funny that you have no answer for my post except
"tito must have beat the **** out of my favorite boxer"

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elgaringo, next rocky

some of the posts are just ironic, here.

some posters found it appropriate to go to the same level of after "tito would beat ray leonard and thomas hearns"

[BrooklynBomber]

Dude...you have no ****ing idea what your talking about. Just to name a few, Jake Lamotta, Carmen Basillio, Gene Fulmer, Kid Galivan, Randy Turpin, ALL WORLD CHAMPIONS....and he beat them all. You wanna compare Tito to Ray Robinson. How did Tito do at Middleweight against B-Hop and Winky? All Ray Robinson did was hold the middleweight title on 5 different occasions.

U musta be real dumb not to understand sarcasm, and u might have not read my previous posts claiming that Robinson would beat any welter in history.

[risk10]

Tito didnt beat DLH....DLH beat himself running away.

My top 5

1. Ray R.
2. Jake L.
3. Leonard
4. ODLH
5. Hearns

[ROSEWOOD]

my favorite boxer = marvin hagler,
so no need to worry about my feelings: tito would have been slaughtered by hagler, not like hopkins did... much much worse.

tito held a paper belt until he won the lineal title robbing de la hoya.

how did tito win his IBF strap? go do some research an tell me what you find

de la hoya was the lineal champ having "beaten" whitaker

lineage goes back until donald curry who was considered to having beaten enough people after ray leonard vacated

don't talk about things you don't know...

and I find it funny that you have no answer for my post except
"tito must have beat the **** out of my favorite boxer"

Like you said, he beat DLH and TOOK HIS belt...so that paper belt **** should have never come up...every boxer started out with no belt playa...come on...paper belt...he took your boy belt and thats that..next!!