Golovkin/Jacobs for the lineal title?

[Chollo Vista]

Tin Foil Terry

[original zero]

Canelo is the MW champ.

Canelo is recognized by some as an unofficial and mythical middleweight world champion, but he does not hold any official recognized middleweight world championship.

He's a junior middleweight world champion training for a fight in the unofficial and mythical 164 and half pound weight division.

He vacated his middleweight world championship to avoid his mandatory and hasn't fought in the division since.

If you consider him a MW champ, that's lovely, but he doesn't fight at middleweight and he doesn't hold a recognized world championship at middleweight, only junior middleweight.

[Sun_Tzu]

The lineal title has been broken and reestablished so many times that it's up to interpretation at this point. Canelo gave it up when tucked his tail and ran back to Jmw to avoid Golovkin in my opinion. It's vacant until all the belts are won. The winner of Golovkin vs Jacobs is the man at MW, period. Canelo has shown he is willing to avoid any real challenge around MW, he is a non factor at MW right now.

[bopbopbbe]

Lmao at super Canelo weight

[KillaCamNZ]

No one actually pays attention to Lineal and Ring titles these days, right? The former is barely a shadow of what it was, and holds zero place in the sport today, while the latter is just a limb on the Golden Boy marketing machine.

Considering how often people complain about trinkets, and the devaluing and dilution of titles...I'm shocked there is anyone that cares about these irrelevant paper straps.

[Robbie Barrett]

No one actually pays attention to Lineal and Ring titles these days, right? The former is barely a shadow of what it was, and holds zero place in the sport today, while the latter is just a limb on the Golden Boy marketing machine.

Considering how often people complain about trinkets, and the devaluing and dilution of titles...I'm shocked there is anyone that cares about these irrelevant paper straps.

You got it the wrong way around. The org titles are the paper straps, given out and stripped to put who they want on top. Lineal is the closest thing to a legit champ, you have to beat the champ to earn it.

[KillaCamNZ]

You got it the wrong way around. The org titles are the paper straps, given out and stripped to put who they want on top. Lineal is the closest thing to a legit champ, you have to beat the champ to earn it.

The problem is, the term "lineal champ" is a token of the opinion of whoever is talking about it. We're so far removed from the first wave of lineal champs, everything has been muddied because there are a gazillion different opinions on how to deal with retirements, changes in weight classes etc.

Then it gets given to whomever someone feels deserves it - despite the fact that it's not actually anything.

50 years ago it mattered - today, it's just a talking point.

[Robbie Barrett]

The problem is, the term "lineal champ" is a token of the opinion of whoever is talking about it. We're so far removed from the first wave of lineal champs, everything has been muddied because there are a gazillion different opinions on how to deal with retirements, changes in weight classes etc.

Then it gets given to whomever someone feels deserves it - despite the fact that it's not actually anything.

50 years ago it mattered - today, it's just a talking point.

When the 1 & 2 guys fight it creates a new lineage. The lineage for Canelo's Lineal started with Hopkins, nobody is going to argue that he wasn't the champ.

Hopkins>Taylor>Pavlik>Martinez>Cotto>Canelo.

Canelo is the MW champ. The titles Golovkin has don't mean ****, they've been stripped from the real champs and ended up in his hands.

[KillaCamNZ]

When the 1 & 2 guys fight it creates a new lineage. The lineage for Canelo's Lineal started with Hopkins, nobody is going to argue that he wasn't the champ.

Hopkins>Taylor>Pavlik>Martinez>Cotto>Canelo.

Canelo is the MW champ. The titles Golovkin has don't mean ****, they've been stripped from the real champs and ended up in his hands.

That's the thing - who's opinion decides 1 and 2? TBRB? You after a few beers? Opinions. People can't even agree on what makes a lineal champion - the whole definition SHOULD be in the name itself - a linear line to transition the "title", but even this became unsustainable and people made up their own guidelines.

It's fine, totally fine, if your view of the lineal champ is something you back and believe in, however. If it gives you a sense of finality, go hard.

The state of boxing the way it is - I don't think there is a consensus on anything. Especially with those trinkets floating around, that you alluded to.

[Robbie Barrett]

That's the thing - who's opinion decides 1 and 2? TBRB? You after a few beers? Opinions. People can't even agree on what makes a lineal champion - the whole definition SHOULD be in the name itself - a linear line to transition the "title", but even this became unsustainable and people made up their own guidelines.

It's fine, totally fine, if your view of the lineal champ is something you back and believe in, however. If it gives you a sense of finality, go hard.

The state of boxing the way it is - I don't think there is a consensus on anything. Especially with those trinkets floating around, that you alluded to.

That's the thing Hopkins was the consensus champion. So there's no opinion in it, Canelo is the MW champ.