Jack Dempsey vs Today's Heavyweights

[robertzimmerman]

This has got to be up there with worst post of the month by far..WOW.......

Wow!

We finally agree on something.

Ha!

[Sheldon312]

MWs are different than HWs ****head

Doesn't matter some Middleweights have physical advantages over other Middleweights

[juggernaut666]

Wow!

We finally agree on something.

Ha!

Well honestly thats not even an opinion stating M.Tyson wont land a shot on wilder...thats outright ******ation.Joshua is a great skilled SHW and FAR ahead of his stage at 19 fights in.Posters that say otherwise dont know what they are looking at.

[robertzimmerman]

Well honestly thats not even an opinion stating M.Tyson wont land a shot on wilder...thats outright ******ation.Joshua is a great skilled SHW and FAR ahead of his stage at 19 fights in.Posters that say otherwise dont know what they are looking at.

Yeah, they were really silly statements to make.

[Sheldon312]

Yeah, they were really silly statements to make.

Is defense even important in today's heavyweight era? Even Foreman was a master at parrying and blocking shots.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

You haven't proved any point, you just keep throwing in random ad hominems like "Stiff and primitive". Provide video evidence that Dempsey was stiff and primitive compared to today's heavies.

Golovkin doesn't shift? Just about every single boxing fan will disagree with you there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vijD09_O8ek

Please watch that video.

The pivot doesn't beat the shift. They are two unrelated techniques. That's like me saying the jab beats the step back. It makes no sense. They are unrelated.

We're talking about heavyweight boxing and generalizations. Floyd and Toney are old school style fighters. Actually they are commonly noted as such so your argument is done there.

Explain how you refine parrying a punch? What more is there to it than slapping away your opponents fist? You have no argument.

Again, more ad hominems. You haven't provided any evidence to back up your claims, you just say that fighter A would lose to fighter B and your reasoning is they were primitive. If your argument had any proof to back it up then you would have posted it by now.

In real life arguments from guys like you don't get any attention and don't stand on there own. If we were in person I would have asked you to pull up, on the computer, laptop, or phone next to us, your video proof and you would have been forced to but on here we aren't face to face so it is easy to duck and post replies.

The video proof is in this very thread & Kev has provided gifs to accompany it. Are you trying your hardest not to watch the videos?.

Stance, striking technique, defensive awareness etc. Look at it. If you can't be honest with yourself & say it's primitive compared to this era then we can leave it at that. You can still pay him credit for his accomplishments.

The Army defeated the ****s. A very impressive feat. Would I be mistaken to say that today's armed forces would annihilate those from back then. Why is Boxing exempt from improving over the years?.
Please don't use strawman arguments like Sheldon. 'Does Keith beat Sugar Ray'. We're talking pre-depression era.

Dempsey would not hold any version of the Heavyweight title in this day & age. Be real. Talking about Top 20 is moving the goal posts.

[Sheldon312]

The video proof is in this very thread & Kev has provided gifs to accompany it. Are you trying your hardest not to watch the videos?.

Stance, striking technique, defensive awareness etc. Look at it. If you can't be honest with yourself & say it's primitive compared to this era then we can leave it at that. You can still pay him credit for his accomplishments.

The Army defeated the ****s. A very impressive feat. Would I be mistaken to say that today's armed forces would annihilate those from back then. Why is Boxing exempt from improving over the years?.
Please don't use strawman arguments like Sheldon. 'Does Keith beat Sugar Ray'. We're talking pre-depression era.

Dempsey would not hold any version of the Heavyweight title in this day & age. Be real. Talking about Top 20 is moving the goal posts.

Answer this. Who is more skilled Dempsey or Wilder?

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

Answer this. Who is more skilled Dempsey or Wilder?

Wilder is more suited to this era while Dempsey was a master of his. He had a book published on Boxing so how can I dispute his 'skills'. Dempsey would be perceived to be more skillful than Wilder.

However the footage says it all. Wilders technique is naturally more refined than a Boxer from the 20s, 30s

[Mr.MojoRisin']

The video proof is in this very thread & Kev has provided gifs to accompany it. Are you trying your hardest not to watch the videos?.

Stance, striking technique, defensive awareness etc. Look at it. If you can't be honest with yourself & say it's primitive compared to this era then we can leave it at that. You can still pay him credit for his accomplishments.

The Army defeated the ****s. A very impressive feat. Would I be mistaken to say that today's armed forces would annihilate those from back then. Why is Boxing exempt from improving over the years?.
Please don't use strawman arguments like Sheldon. 'Does Keith beat Sugar Ray'. We're talking pre-depression era.

Dempsey would not hold any version of the Heavyweight title in this day & age. Be real. Talking about Top 20 is moving the goal posts.

I haven't seen any videos on here.

You seriously think one gif proves a point? Go back a page or two and check out my post where I linked TEN instances of excellent defense by Dempsey. Not some ****ty gif. EVERYONE gets hit some time or another NOT everyone has good defense.

The stance is the same, punching technique got worse, and defensive awareness got worse.

Again, you AREN'T providing any evidence. I on the other hand have provided MULTIPLE clips of evidence.

Boxing doesn't isn't the same because Boxing isn't magically bound by the advancements of the military. Btw you have no evidence to prove that the military today would beat the ****s because the military today is about a quarter of the size that it was back then.

Would Billy Joe Saunders beat Harry Greb? Would Keith Thurman beat Mickey Walker? Would Sergey Kovalev beat Sam Langford?

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Wilders technique is naturally more refined than a Boxer from the 20s, 30s

Are you serious? Did you really just post that dumbass ****?

Wilders technique is HORRIBLE!