If PBC had belts would you respect / acknowlege them over the Alpphabet titles?

[original zero]

"i dont think the abcs are against having 1 champ per div, shlt just gets in the way."

they are against it.

[BWC]

and he's spreading like a virus. he already has 15-16 world champions and when you look through the rankings every month, you see him moving more and more young talent up the rankings and into mandatory positions.

combined with his alliance with matchroom, hearn & haymon control over 20 world title belts and climbing.

this is why haymon didn't spend big money to get ward, cotto, canelo, etc. it's much more beneficial long term to lock up the entire next generation on the cheap, guaranteeing that he'll control even more and more wba/wbc/ibf world titles. by the time his new generation blossoms, cotto will be gone. ward will possibly be gone. canelo will have been destroyed by ggg.

but haymon's army will be enormous. from 118-168 he'll have like 75% of the wba/ibf/wbc titles. it'll be ridiculous.

His allegiance with Hearn is really key. Together they can rule boxing and make more money than anyone in sports. The potential money boggles the mind..

[OnePunch]

we can hope. champs, even the fringe ones, have a bargaining chip (the lower weight classes will usually get shltted on and stay obscure).

lets take it that theres 1 champ per div. ok, now what ? he gets injured and theres no champ to fight. today, one champ isnt unavailable, there are 2 others who are.

another way to go is for the abc's to force unification fights, regardless of whos the promoter and/or network. i dont think the abcs are against having 1 champ per div, shlt just gets in the way.

or what if there is only 1 "champ", and that "champ" will only defend his title at a catchweight?

[Elroy The Great]

or what if there is only 1 "champ", and that "champ" will only defend his title at a catchweight?

''only'' defend at a cw ?!?!? not sure this has ever happened. im sure, if it did, the abc would step in and strip that guy (UNLESS there was always an agreement).

[Elroy The Great]

"i dont think the abcs are against having 1 champ per div, shlt just gets in the way."

they are against it.

how can they be against something they have no power in stopping ?

[aboutfkntime]

About Time -

I agree with you that the sanctioning bodies are the cause of many of boxing's problems. But why do we have multiple sanctioning bodies? Because whenever a major promoter has been unhappy with the amount of world titles he can get his hands on, he just moves to another organization.

But why did we ever have sanctioning bodies to begin with? Because the TV networks thought it added credibility to the titles if they were controlled by a supposed non-profit independent and neutral organization that was beyond reproach.

However, the organizations have been a scam since day one and the entire set up of boxing has been flawed since day one. If boxing is going to survive and hopefully thrive in the future, it needs to catch up with the other major sports and create a centralized league that the public recognizes as the clear cut #1 promotion.

The only way to do that though is to turn the landscape on its head, which is exactly what Haymon is attempting. Some of the major promoters have joined (Dibella, Goossen-Tutor, Warriors, etc). Some have largely vanished (GSP, DKP, M&M, etc).

And a few are hanging on by a thread, splitting what's left of the HBO pie (TR, GBP, ME, etc). As that HBO pie continues to shrink and as the top American prospects all sign with Haymon, TR, GBP & ME slowly get edged out of the game, just as GSP/DKP/M&M/etc were before them.

At that point, PBC can take everything 100% in house, reduce the number of weight classes, crown their own champion in every weight class, and throw the alphabelts in the garbage. The alphabelts will cling to life overseas, but they'll be largely dead in the US.



One Punch -

A worldwide monopoly is not possible, but let's face it, does the NBA have a worldwide monopoly? No, of course not. There are profitable basketball leagues all over the world with plenty of fans. But most of those fans realize there is bigger money in America and therefore MOST, not all, but most of the best talent is competing in America for the big money.

If Haymon is successful, the US would simply be removed from the alphabelt equation, which I do think would help the popularity of boxing in the United States. If fans could tune into CBS, Spike and Showtime, or Fox, FS1 & a PBC subscription service, and see all of the big time boxing taking place in the US, with one world champion per division, the credibility of boxing in the US would increase exponentially.



Keyboard Warrior -

I'm very comfortable with my intellectual credentials. So if the things I'm saying lead you to believe that I am a moron, you are probably the moron. That is the thing about intelligence. It's very different from speed or strength. You don't need to be strong to see someone lift a car over their head and realize how strong they are.

You don't have to be fast to see someone out run a cheetah and realize how quick they are.

But intelligence? If you don't have it, it's hard to understand it. And when you encounter it, you'll often be left confused and assume it's the other party that is lacking, even though it's actually you that has the problem.

I was a child prodigy and started college when I was 11 years old. My IQ has never tested lower than 155 and has tested as high as 172. Extreme intelligence is something that is often scoffed at and can be a bit embarrassing. But if the concepts I'm presenting are going over your head, I can assure you that your suggestion that my "low" IQ is to blame is completely laughable.

I am not a shill. I simply offer my perspective based on 19 years making my living in the combat sports industry. Take it with a grain of salt or not, but my views are based solely on my honest analysis. I have no skin in the game at the moment.

I agree

the problem is, I do not think that your solution - which is that the PBC compete with the 4 official sanctioning organisations - will achieve that.....

..... you are suggesting that PBC compete with those 4 asshat's, by doing the exact same thing..... which will not "turn the landscape on its head"

but buying/contracting every single belt-holder sure would

I doubt that Haymon could make such a move on his own, in fact I know he couldn't

like I said to LoadedWraps..... in a few YEARS time, IF/when all of that stuff has happened, then this conversation may become relevant

but it is hard to imagine that Top Rank, Golden Boy Promotions, the WBA, the WBC, the WBO, and the IBF, will all just happily sit there idly while PBC takes over the world..... every time a PBC fighter gets his hands on a ABC belt, the ABC body will simply promote another fighter to champion, rinse-wash-repeat..... and every time a top PBC fighter loses, they will take 2 steps backward, rinse-wash-repeat

the WBC/IBF/WBO did not get rid of the WBA by doing that, and PBC won't get rid of them either, not by doing the exact same thing

[aboutfkntime]

that scenario is possible but not guaranteed. as it is, a champs opponent is most likely to be that guys biggest payday. very few eliminator fights generate big $$$$.

more champs available to defend their title, the more $$$ opportunities there are....unless the sport figures out a way to pay guys who arent champs a decent wage. maybe the sport can force promoters to eat the pre fight expenses ?

''When a boxer gets paid, he is required to pay his manager and corner guy out of his own pocket, which is called a purse. Pay increases as boxers move up in rank, but so do the fees for their managers and corner guys. They are also responsible for paying their coaches.''

https://www.reference.com/business-finance/much-professional-boxers-paid-per-fight-c0996d76c19e171c

"As boxers, we’ve got expiry dates. Not many people box beyond their late thirties, and only 3% of all professionals (a group I’m lucky enough to be in) make enough money to live off it once they retire."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/activ...nal-boxer.html

as it is, pro boxers usually have other jobs.

the boxing landscape would adapt

a championship fight would actually mean something, and would become a big occasion

eliminator fights would become HUGE, and would generate a lot more interest/money..... the boxing landscape would adapt

the issue is, will a promoter split the money fairly

[BoxingPugilist]

the boxing landscape would adapt

a championship fight would actually mean something, and would become a big occasion

eliminator fights would become HUGE, and would generate a lot more interest/money..... the boxing landscape would adapt

the issue is, will a promoter split the money fairly

Ahhhh, therein lies the rub. History would suggest overwhelming; no.

[aboutfkntime]

we can hope. champs, even the fringe ones, have a bargaining chip (the lower weight classes will usually get shltted on and stay obscure).

lets take it that theres 1 champ per div. ok, now what ? he gets injured and theres no champ to fight. today, one champ isnt unavailable, there are 2 others who are.

another way to go is for the abc's to force unification fights, regardless of whos the promoter and/or network. i dont think the abcs are against having 1 champ per div, shlt just gets in the way.

we disagree that only a championship fight can generate money..... I don't even think that is the case now, many champions are relatively unknown and are definitely not a draw..... and over time, eliminator - and even top contender - fights will be appreciated just as much if not more..... the boxing landscape would adapt, and championship fights would finally mean something

currently, some of the org's do not recognize other champions, but usually only when it suits them..... the WBC for example refused to recognize Wlad Klitschko for about a decade because he was the WBA champ, and yet they had no problem recognizing/mandating the WBA champ Golovkin to their WBC champ Canelo

[Elroy The Great]

we disagree that only a championship fight can generate money..... I don't even think that is the case now, many champions are relatively unknown and are definitely not a draw..... and over time, eliminator - and even top contender - fights will be appreciated just as much if not more..... the boxing landscape would adapt, and championship fights would finally mean something

currently, some of the org's do not recognize other champions, but usually only when it suits them..... the WBC for example refused to recognize Wlad Klitschko for about a decade because he was the WBA champ, and yet they had no problem recognizing/mandating the WBA champ Golovkin to their WBC champ Canelo

the bottom line is to hope for adaptation to take place. all of this is moot of course but it keeps the page count going. should champs take on other champs, that would practically do what we are asking. soon, there will be 1 mw champ. wlad has been the lone hw champ for ages. may was the ww king.

wlad lost and may retired. now, many big fights in those div are taking place. if, we had the 1 champ per div system, i dont think the earning potential would be the same.

we all want to have the best solution, but, imho, its already in place. we just need a way of fighters getting more money in their pockets as possible. maybe tweaking a preexisting system is better than dumping it completely ?