Conor is light years ahead of Floyd in PPV performance

[LockardTheGOAT]

why did you run to a boxing forum to suck off the UFC's flavor of the month?? last year it was Rousey now it is Connor, next year it will be someone else who will rise to fame and talk about Mayweather none stop

I didn't. Someone on this here boxing forum brought up a point about Conor, I responded accordingly. And neither Conor nor Ronda are a "flavor of the month" caliber of star. They've already integrated themselves into the mainstream (especially McGregor) deeply enough to be merely dismissed as a flash in the pan. Conor even bounced back from a recent loss already and set the all-time UFC PPV record in August.

People either dont watch UFC or avoid this but a UFC ppv is built on the back of lots of top fighters on a single card. Both May and Pac have sold PPVs on their own essentially and sometimes off the back of name opponents. May had Garcia v Matt on one card and Khan on another but that's about it.

I watch UFC not just for McG but the whole damn card they put on and in pretty much ever recent case, the other fighters have had better fights and probably more meaningful for those divisions.

The main event of UFC PPVs are what sell the show, just like with anything else. That's why the commercials almost always focus only on the main event and nothing else. Look at the recent UFC 207 commercials - no mention of anything on except for Ronda's return for her upcoming fight against Nunes.

You clearly don't really follow the UFC and only follow McGregor. Stacked cards are not a buzz word because they are a real thing. Several of the fights on McGregor's undercard were big enough to have headlined a PPV on their own. Holly vs Miesha was big because Holly had just upset Ronda Rousey. Woodley vs Thompson was big because Woodley had just upset Robbie Lawler. And the Diaz brothers have a pretty significant following in the MMA world already.

Conor is a star, and there is no question about it but his numbers are significantly boosted by UFC promotion and adding big names to the undercard.

I assure you I follow it much more than you do. And just because some of the fights could have headlined a PPV doesn't mean they contributed greatly to the buyrate. As was already said a few different times, the average UFC PPV without a megastar like McGregor or Rousey does around the 300,000 mark. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. But it never does anything near a million or way over a million unless Conor (or just shortly before she lost, Rousey) is on the card. There's a reason for that.

Your point about Woodley vs Lawler is especially laughable... That shit did like 240,000 buys, which is below average for a UFC event. I love both guys, but that wasn't a draw, thus you shouldn't assume it lead to any sort of massive interest for Woodley vs Thompson among casuals. 98% of people on McGregor's undercards have never headlined a PPV, and the ones that have have never exceeded buys past somewhere in the 300,000+ mark.

[soul_survivor]

I didn't. Someone on this here boxing forum brought up a point about Conor, I responded accordingly. And neither Conor nor Ronda are a "flavor of the month" caliber of star. They've already integrated themselves into the mainstream (especially McGregor) deeply enough to be merely dismissed as a flash in the pan. Conor even bounced back from a recent loss already and set the all-time UFC PPV record in August.



The main event of UFC PPVs are what sell the show, just like with anything else. That's why the commercials almost always focus only on the main event and nothing else. Look at the recent UFC 207 commercials - no mention of anything on except for Ronda's return for her upcoming fight against Nunes.



I assure you I follow it much more than you do. And just because some of the fights could have headlined a PPV doesn't mean they contributed greatly to the buyrate. As was already said a few different times, the average UFC PPV without a megastar like McGregor or Rousey does around the 300,000 mark. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. But it never does anything near a million or way over a million unless Conor (or just shortly before she lost, Rousey) is on the card. There's a reason for that.

Your point about Woodley vs Lawler is especially laughable... That shit did like 240,000 buys, which is below average for a UFC event. I love both guys, but that wasn't a draw, thus you shouldn't assume it lead to any sort of massive interest for Woodley vs Thompson among casuals. 98% of people on McGregor's undercards have never headlined a PPV, and the ones that have have never exceeded buys past somewhere in the 300,000+ mark.

UFC 207 is the return of Ronda, that's the selling point. It won't be a McG level PPV.

McG has done big PPVs numbers on the back of numerous top fighters on his cards, heck one of the major selling points was that UFC 205 was supposed to be their most stacked card ever. Almost every bit of promotional material spoke about that.

Now, none of this is to negate the fact that McG can sell. He is an American star no doubt but he can not sell on his own, a 1 million plus PPV like Pac and Mayweather did for 7 or 8 years.

[LockardTheGOAT]

UFC 207 is the return of Ronda, that's the selling point. It won't be a McG level PPV.

McG has done big PPVs numbers on the back of numerous top fighters on his cards, heck one of the major selling points was that UFC 205 was supposed to be their most stacked card ever. Almost every bit of promotional material spoke about that.

Now, none of this is to negate the fact that McG can sell. He is an American star no doubt but he can not sell on his own, a 1 million plus PPV like Pac and Mayweather did for 7 or 8 years.

Conor can't sell on his own... Good lord. The level of ******ity some people are capable of is literally astonishing.

You detractors just love to repeat the same old bullshit over and over, no matter how much it's false. Tell me what "big names" Conor had fighting in his undercard, and show me the proof that any of those people were huge PPV draws or even ratings draws elsewhere. I'll wait.

[Johnwoo8686]

Your point about Woodley vs Lawler is especially laughable... That shit did like 240,000 buys, which is below average for a UFC event. I love both guys, but that wasn't a draw, thus you shouldn't assume it lead to any sort of massive interest for Woodley vs Thompson among casuals. 98% of people on McGregor's undercards have never headlined a PPV, and the ones that have have never exceeded buys past somewhere in the 300,000+ mark.

Your point about the people on Conor's undercards never headlining a PPV is irrelevant. Canelo had never headlined a PPV before his fight with Floyd and that fight set PPV revenue records. If there is enough hype behind a fighter their PPV's will sell.

And Rousey vs Holm did 1.1 million. It was Rousey's highest PPV and it featured Holly Holm. Holly Holm was then put on McGregor's undercard of the first Diaz fight. Which helped boost that card's numbers.

UFC 200 did over a million buys without Conor even on the card so don't tell me the card's need stars like Rousey and McGregor when the UFC has done over 1 million buys without either of them on cards several times before.

If they hype an event enough it will sell. UFC 201 was hardly promoted while all of Conor's cards are heavily promoted and the same goes for most of Rousey's cards.

Conor is a star but let's not pretend his numbers aren't benefitted by a huge push from the UFC.

[LockardTheGOAT]

Your point about the people on Conor's undercards never headlining a PPV is irrelevant. Canelo had never headlined a PPV before his fight with Floyd and that fight set PPV revenue records. If there is enough hype behind a fighter their PPV's will sell.

And Rousey vs Holm did 1.1 million. It was Rousey's highest PPV and it featured Holly Holm. Holly Holm was then put on McGregor's undercard of the first Diaz fight. Which helped boost that card's numbers.

UFC 200 did over a million buys without Conor even on the card so don't tell me the card's need stars like Rousey and McGregor when the UFC has done over 1 million buys without either of them on cards several times before.

If they hype an event enough it will sell. UFC 201 was hardly promoted while all of Conor's cards are heavily promoted and the same goes for most of Rousey's cards.

Conor is a star but let's not pretend his numbers aren't benefitted by a huge push from the UFC.

1. It matters when people point to it as a definitive reason for why Conor's numbers do better than anyone else's. Why aren't these big names being used to sell other PPV's if they're such draws? And the ones that are, why aren't they headlining events that do more than just the average 250,000-300,000 number of buys?

2. Rousey/Holm did 1.1 million because of Rousey's ever-growing star power and fame. Hardly anyone knew who the fuck Holm was before she beat Ronda, and beating the draw doesn't automatically make you a draw. UFC 202, whose only selling point was the Conor/Diaz rematch, did even better numbers than their first fight did.

3. UFC 200 did well because Brock Lesnar was on the card. Prior to Conor, he was the UFC's biggest draw in history. If you looked at the Youtube videos that covered the event, the ones concerning Lesnar by far got the most views.

4. Yeah, no. Just no. You can hype something as much as you want, that doesn't mean it will sell or sell like you want it to. 201 got the same promotion as anything else got - commercials, Embledded videos, etc. There feels like there's more hooplah around Conor's fights because the public cares far more about Conor than any other fighter, which is why he's crossed over into the mainstream the way that he has.

[LacedUp]

McGregor is more popular now than Floyd Mayweather ever was, on every level.

tell me something I didn't know already.

[Johnwoo8686]

1. It matters when people point to it as a definitive reason for why Conor's numbers do better than anyone else's. Why aren't these big names being used to sell other PPV's if they're such draws? And the ones that are, why aren't they headlining events that do more than just the average 250,000-300,000 number of buys?

2. Rousey/Holm did 1.1 million because of Rousey's ever-growing star power and fame. Hardly anyone knew who the fuck Holm was before she beat Ronda, and beating the draw doesn't automatically make you a draw. UFC 202, whose only selling point was the Conor/Diaz rematch, did even better numbers than their first fight did.

3. UFC 200 did well because Brock Lesnar was on the card. Prior to Conor, he was the UFC's biggest draw in history. If you looked at the Youtube videos that covered the event, the ones concerning Lesnar by far got the most views.

4. Yeah, no. Just no. You can hype something as much as you want, that doesn't mean it will sell or sell like you want it to. 201 got the same promotion as anything else got - commercials, Embledded videos, etc. There feels like there's more hooplah around Conor's fights because the public cares far more about Conor than any other fighter, which is why he's crossed over into the mainstream the way that he has.

1 I never said those names were huge draws I said they had significant followings in the MMA world. Woodley vs Thompson was a much anticipated match up if you follow the sport which is why it was featured on the undercard of UFC 205. Dana White called 205 the best "card" in the UFC's history before the fight so please dont pretend as if that event did well merely because of Conor.

2 Plenty of people knew who Holly Holm was if they followed combat sports. No she was not a household name but as someone who's followed boxing for years I knew who she was. And yes, beating a draw can make you a draw. Just ask Mayweather and Pacquiao after they defeated Oscar De La Hoya for example. Holm was the first women's bantamweight champion outside of Rousey.

3 Saying Lesnar is a star goes against your earlier point about UFC fighters not being able to sell over a million buys if they weren't named McGregor or Rousey. Silva vs Weidman 2 also did over a million buys.

4 And UFC 201 got nowhere near the hype and promotion that 200 or 202 got. What planet are you living on to say it got the same amount of promotion?

5 And why does the public care more for Conor? Because the UFC got behind Conor much like they did Rousey and gave him plenty of coverage. They also gave him the matchups he asked for. Dana White has admitted that he agreed to sign Conor to the UFC before even watching him fight because he knew Conor would be an easy sell to the public.

[LacedUp]

UFC 207 is the return of Ronda, that's the selling point. It won't be a McG level PPV.

McG has done big PPVs numbers on the back of numerous top fighters on his cards, heck one of the major selling points was that UFC 205 was supposed to be their most stacked card ever. Almost every bit of promotional material spoke about that.

Now, none of this is to negate the fact that McG can sell. He is an American star no doubt but he can not sell on his own, a 1 million plus PPV like Pac and Mayweather did for 7 or 8 years.

My God, what did I just read.

[LockardTheGOAT]

1 I never said those names were huge draws I said they had significant followings in the MMA world. Woodley vs Thompson was a much anticipated match up if you follow the sport which is why it was featured on the undercard of UFC 205. Dana White called 205 the best "card" in the UFC's history before the fight so please dont pretend as if that event did well merely because of Conor.

2 Plenty of people knew who Holly Holm was if they followed combat sports. No she was not a household name but as someone who's followed boxing for years I knew who she was. And yes, beating a draw can make you a draw. Just ask Mayweather and Pacquiao after they defeated Oscar De La Hoya for example. Holm was the first women's bantamweight champion outside of Rousey.

3 Saying Lesnar is a star goes against your earlier point about UFC fighters not being able to sell over a million buys if they weren't named McGregor or Rousey. Silva vs Weidman 2 also did over a million buys.

4 And UFC 201 got nowhere near the hype and promotion that 200 or 202 got. What planet are you living on to say it got the same amount of promotion?

5 And why does the public care more for Conor? Because the UFC got behind Conor much like they did Rousey and gave him plenty of coverage. They also gave him the matchups he asked for. Dana White has admitted that he agreed to sign Conor to the UFC before even watching him fight because he knew Conor would be an easy sell to the public.

1. Having a 'following' doesn't make you a PPV draw, and plenty of people on Conor's undercards don't even have a significant following of any kind. Yes, that includes Woodley and Thompson, whose match was promoted as a big deal because they're both good fighters and they were competing over a title (titles being something the organization want to feel important), but whom have no record as of yet of drawing PPV buys or even ratings. 202 broke records without a "stacked card", so yes, it's fair to say that at least 95-98% of the reason 205 did well was due to Conor.

2. Hardly anyone cares about women's boxing, and 99% didn't care about Holm in UFC until she defeated Rousey. And I never said you couldn't become a draw from beating a draw, just not that you always do, and you certainly never become just as big (or bigger) of a draw just based on that. Also, any numbers that her versus Tate might have added may not have even mattered, since it's possible those same people may have bought the event for Conor vs Diaz anyway.

3. I'm talking about modern day, obviously. And Silva-Weldman II got a huge boost from guess who fighting right beneath them.

4. 200 and 202 were exceptional events, so of course it wouldn't get the same coverage as those did. But it DID get the same promotion as the vast majority of PPVs do, so let's not get things twisted.

5. The public cares more about Conor and Rousey because they simply find them more interesting, hence the 'push' they were given in the first place. You can't just put the promotional machine behind anyone and make them a star, let alone a crossover star. That's not how it works.

[Johnwoo8686]

1. Having a 'following' doesn't make you a PPV draw, and plenty of people on Conor's undercards don't even have a significant following of any kind. Yes, that includes Woodley and Thompson, whose match was promoted as a big deal because they're both good fighters and they were competing over a title (titles being something the organization want to feel important), but whom have no record as of yet of drawing PPV buys or even ratings. 202 broke records without a "stacked card", so yes, it's fair to say that at least 95-98% of the reason 205 did well was due to Conor.

2. Hardly anyone cares about women's boxing, and 99% didn't care about Holm in UFC until she defeated Rousey. And I never said you couldn't become a draw from beating a draw, just not that you always do, and you certainly never become just as big (or bigger) of a draw just based on that. Also, any numbers that her versus Tate might have added may not have even mattered, since it's possible those same people may have bought the event for Conor vs Diaz anyway.

3. I'm talking about modern day, obviously. And Silva-Weldman II got a huge boost from guess who fighting right beneath them.

4. 200 and 202 were exceptional events, so of course it wouldn't get the same coverage as those did. But it DID get the same promotion as the vast majority of PPVs do, so let's not get things twisted.

5. The public cares more about Conor and Rousey because they simply find them more interesting, hence the 'push' they were given in the first place. You can't just put the promotional machine behind anyone and make them a star, let alone a crossover star. That's not how it works.

I love how you glossed over my point about Canelo lol. Canelo breaking ppv records with Floyd completely disproves your point. You say having a following does not make you a pay per view star. Then tell me how Floyd was able to have one of his highest selling pay per view fights against a guy who had never headlined a pay per view before?
He did it because Canelo had a huge following. Canelo has never exceeded a million buys on his own but when he fought Floyd a lot of Mexicans tuned in.
So yes, having a following can translate into pay per view numbers.

And I love how you contradict yourself in your own post. You say Silva Weidman 2 sold well because Ronda Rousey was on the undercard but don't think Conor's numbers were boosted by the names on his undercard?
Undercards only matter when they are used to back your point lol.

And 202 as a "stacked card" but you clearly don't follow MMA enough to know that those guys have are popular in the MMA world.

And no, Rousey and Conor aren't the most interesting. They've simply done the most media. Dana White has said that Rousey and McGregor have done more media than anyone else in the company which is why they became so popular so quickly.