Conor is light years ahead of Floyd in PPV performance

[uppercut510]

ok so now what?

[Ray Corso]

I'll take Mayweathers bank accounts over Connors!


When it comes to promtions and earning money Connor has a loooong way to go to catch up to lil' Floyd. In fact he won't get there, he's ready to loose again soon enough.

Ray

[LockardTheGOAT]

I love how you glossed over my point about Canelo lol. Canelo breaking ppv records with Floyd completely disproves your point. You say having a following does not make you a pay per view star. Then tell me how Floyd was able to have one of his highest selling pay per view fights against a guy who had never headlined a pay per view before?
He did it because Canelo had a huge following. Canelo has never exceeded a million buys on his own but when he fought Floyd a lot of Mexicans tuned in.
So yes, having a following can translate into pay per view numbers.

And I love how you contradict yourself in your own post. You say Silva Weidman 2 sold well because Ronda Rousey was on the undercard but don't think Conor's numbers were boosted by the names on his undercard?
Undercards only matter when they are used to back your point lol.

And 202 as a "stacked card" but you clearly don't follow MMA enough to know that those guys have are popular in the MMA world.

And no, Rousey and Conor aren't the most interesting. They've simply done the most media. Dana White has said that Rousey and McGregor have done more media than anyone else in the company which is why they became so popular so quickly.

Yeah, Canelo drawing a huge buyrate against the biggest name in boxing definitely proves that those no-name guys fighting each other on undercards in the UFC are helping boost Conor and Rousey's numbers in any meaningful way. lol Child, please.

Furthermore, the reason for that fight doing so well is obvious - Canelo is Mexican, and there's a huge boxing culture there. If I recall, he also did huge television ratings in Mexico. Plus, Floyd markets himself as the villain that everyone wants to see lose, so you put a guy who's younger and from a higher weight class than him in the ring with him, and of course millions will buy the PPV in hopes that they'll finally get his. Trying to compare that with undercard guys that only a moderate amount of people are invested in and that hardly anyone would buy a PPV to watch is absurd. Talk about comparing apples and oranges.

As for my second supposed "contradiction", it's easier to give Ronda large credit for that buyrate because of the megastar that we know she became later. She already had an immense amount of media attention around her (an amount that surpassed even the extent that UFC was trying to promote her), and she started headlining her own PPV's very shortly after for that reason.

202 was hardly even a "stacked card" by the standards of hardcore fans, let alone casuals. Conor vs Diaz 2 was a hugely anticipated rematch for several months, even arguing that anything else was a selling point for that PPV is just ******ed.

And yes, Conor and Ronda are the most interesting figures to the public - It's why they're the stars they are. They do more media BECAUSE of the caliber of stars they are, not the other way around. It's pretty obvious and simple to understand, and only dumb-ass folks like yourselves would fail to get that.

[Johnwoo8686]

Yeah, Canelo drawing a huge buyrate against the biggest name in boxing definitely proves that those no-name guys fighting each other on undercards in the UFC are helping boost Conor and Rousey's numbers in any meaningful way. lol Child, please.

Furthermore, the reason for that fight doing so well is obvious - Canelo is Mexican, and there's a huge boxing culture there. If I recall, he also did huge television ratings in Mexico. Plus, Floyd markets himself as the villain that everyone wants to see lose, so you put a guy who's younger and from a higher weight class than him in the ring with him, and of course millions will buy the PPV in hopes that they'll finally get his. Trying to compare that with undercard guys that only a moderate amount of people are invested in and that hardly anyone would buy a PPV to watch is absurd. Talk about comparing apples and oranges.

As for my second supposed "contradiction", it's easier to give Ronda large credit for that buyrate because of the megastar that we know she became later. She already had an immense amount of media attention around her (an amount that surpassed even the extent that UFC was trying to promote her), and she started headlining her own PPV's very shortly after for that reason.

202 was hardly even a "stacked card" by the standards of hardcore fans, let alone casuals. Conor vs Diaz 2 was a hugely anticipated rematch for several months, even arguing that anything else was a selling point for that PPV is just ******ed.

And yes, Conor and Ronda are the most interesting figures to the public - It's why they're the stars they are. They do more media BECAUSE of the caliber of stars they are, not the other way around. It's pretty obvious and simple to understand, and only dumb-ass folks like yourselves would fail to get that.

Man you must be 12 years old or something. You didn't even know who Ronda or Conor were before they joined the UFC but then want to turn around and pretend they became big names because of themselves alone and not the UFC hype machine.

In a previous post you said Undercards don't matter then you proceded to post how the numbers for Weidman Silva 2 did better because of the undercard You just proved my own point ******. And no one knew Rousey would become a big star back in 2013, the mainstream barely knew who she was back then. She was a big name in MMA and that is all.

This past weekend proved that Rousey was nowhere near as good as she was built up to be and she still became a huge star because of the UFC hype machine, not because she was so "interesting" as you put it. McGregor, although entertaining has benefitted from a lot of that same hype. He got a title fight without having to face any of the top contenders at 155 simply because Dana White allowed him to. Let's see if McGregor will do the same numbers once he suffers yet another humiliating loss.

[LockardTheGOAT]

Man you must be 12 years old or something. You didn't even know who Ronda or Conor were before they joined the UFC but then want to turn around and pretend they became big names because of themselves alone and not the UFC hype machine.

In a previous post you said Undercards don't matter then you proceded to post how the numbers for Weidman Silva 2 did better because of the undercard You just proved my own point ******. And no one knew Rousey would become a big star back in 2013, the mainstream barely knew who she was back then. She was a big name in MMA and that is all.

This past weekend proved that Rousey was nowhere near as good as she was built up to be and she still became a huge star because of the UFC hype machine, not because she was so "interesting" as you put it. McGregor, although entertaining has benefitted from a lot of that same hype. He got a title fight without having to face any of the top contenders at 155 simply because Dana White allowed him to. Let's see if McGregor will do the same numbers once he suffers yet another humiliating loss.

lol Arguing with you is like arguing with a 12 year-old. Maybe even worse.

I never said the UFC's marketing hype didn't benefit them. I said just because you put the machine behind someone doesn't mean the public will gravitate towards them and turn them into a star. That's a 100% fact. Even Hollywood has tried to make stars out of people that the public just didn't end up taking to.

As for "proving your point", I did no such thing. I said ascribing credit for buyrates to a bunch of undercard guys whom have no proof of ever drawing (and in several instances, even headling a PPV period) is ******ed, especially when you have a megastar like Conor at the top of the card clearly bringing in the big numbers. Ronda would obviously be an exception to that considering the publicity already around her and the mainstream star she became shortly after.

And saying the mainstream didn't already care about her? Her fight with Liz Carmouche in the inaugural women's UFC match was covered massively by the media. And her fight with Tate next was built up over a several week period on The Ultimate Fighter, back when The Ultimate Fighter meant a lot more than it does now. That got a great deal of publicity, too. Obviously her star power continued to rise, but she already had plenty of hype around her from outside the UFC.

[Johnwoo8686]

lol Arguing with you is like arguing with a 12 year-old. Maybe even worse.

I never said the UFC's marketing hype didn't benefit them. I said just because you put the machine behind someone doesn't mean the public will gravitate towards them and turn them into a star. That's a 100% fact. Even Hollywood has tried to make stars out of people that the public just didn't end up taking to.

As for "proving your point", I did no such thing. I said ascribing credit for buyrates to a bunch of undercard guys whom have no proof of ever drawing (and in several instances, even headling a PPV period) is ******ed, especially when you have a megastar like Conor at the top of the card clearly bringing in the big numbers. Ronda would obviously be an exception to that considering the publicity already around her and the mainstream star she became shortly after.

And saying the mainstream didn't already care about her? Her fight with Liz Carmouche in the inaugural women's UFC match was covered massively by the media. And her fight with Tate next was built up over a several week period on The Ultimate Fighter, back when The Ultimate Fighter meant a lot more than it does now. That got a great deal of publicity, too. Obviously her star power continued to rise, but she already had plenty of hype around her from outside the UFC.

And how did Conor become a megastar? Through successful management and promoton by the UFC. Not simply because of his charisma or even close. In an earlier post you even said people didn't know anything about Conor when he was in the smaller organizations but they know him now. That is all thanks to the UFC.

And for you to think Conor's numbers were not boosted by the names on his undercards but other fighters numbers were boosted by names on their undercards makes you sound like a biased nuthugger. You say the fighters on Conor's undercards have no history of headlining a ppv so that means they could not have contributed to his numbers but Ronda Rousey had never headlined a PPV either when she was on the undercard of Silva Weidman 2 but you think her presence vastly helped those numbers.

So Holly Holm whooping Ronda's ass and becoming the second female bantamweight champion did not help Conor's numbers in the first fight with Diaz? Miesha Tate being on his undercards, who is also a big name in MMA, didn't help his numbers either?

[LockardTheGOAT]

And how did Conor become a megastar? Through successful management and promoton by the UFC. Not simply because of his charisma or even close. In an earlier post you even said people didn't know anything about Conor when he was in the smaller organizations but they know him now. That is all thanks to the UFC.

And for you to think Conor's numbers were not boosted by the names on his undercards but other fighters numbers were boosted by names on their undercards makes you sound like a biased nuthugger. You say the fighters on Conor's undercards have no history of headlining a ppv so that means they could not have contributed to his numbers but Ronda Rousey had never headlined a PPV either when she was on the undercard of Silva Weidman 2 but you think her presence vastly helped those numbers.

So Holly Holm whooping Ronda's ass and becoming the second female bantamweight champion did not help Conor's numbers in the first fight with Diaz? Miesha Tate being on his undercards, who is also a big name in MMA, didn't help his numbers either?

Yeah, the UFC gave him the platform to become a star, but it was his charisma and talent that won the public over. An organization can give you the platform to become a star, but if you don't have the charisma and talent to make people gravitate towards you, you won't become a star. That simple. The UFC can promote you, but they can't make people like you, certainly not to the point of crossing over into the mainstream as much as Conor (and Ronda) have.

And I explained the Ronda point perfectly clear in my last post. Read it again, it's almost impossible not to comprehend what I said.

And if you wanna give supporting players and no-names credit for boosting Conor's numbers, go ahead. There's no proof of those guys (or gals) being able to boost any meaningful numbers, though. Just saying they have a respectable fanbase isn't enough. That doesn't make you a PPV draw.

You tell me who has by far the most Youtube views for their videos, who has the most media following them around and covering them. Who's starring in Call of Duty (one of the most popular video game franchises in the world), starring in Game Of Thrones (the second biggest television show in the world), and having NBA athletes imitate their walk on the court. Who announced a fake retirement last year and had it blow up all over the internet and the media almost instantly (followed by reporters at the UFC 200 press conference asking more questions about him than any of the fighters actually present there.) It's Conor, it's always Conor. Other than Rousey, it's basically Conor and everyone else as far as massive star power goes. But if you really want to pretend that these other cats are magically drawing numbers for Conor despite no other measureable way of them coming anywhere close to his popularity, then go ahead.

[Boxing Goat]

gatti was not ppv it was just normal boxing after dark.

This was the first time Mayweather headlined a pay-per-view event. It generated 340,000 buys and $15.3 million in revenue.
Before the fight, HBO analyst Max Kellerman called this the biggest pay-per-view mismatch since Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson.


Just so you know now

[revs1227]

except he will get Ronda Rouseyed before any of this happens

[Johnwoo8686]

Yeah, the UFC gave him the platform to become a star, but it was his charisma and talent that won the public over. An organization can give you the platform to become a star, but if you don't have the charisma and talent to make people gravitate towards you, you won't become a star. That simple. The UFC can promote you, but they can't make people like you, certainly not to the point of crossing over into the mainstream as much as Conor (and Ronda) have.

And I explained the Ronda point perfectly clear in my last post. Read it again, it's almost impossible not to comprehend what I said.

And if you wanna give supporting players and no-names credit for boosting Conor's numbers, go ahead. There's no proof of those guys (or gals) being able to boost any meaningful numbers, though. Just saying they have a respectable fanbase isn't enough. That doesn't make you a PPV draw.

You tell me who has by far the most Youtube views for their videos, who has the most media following them around and covering them. Who's starring in Call of Duty (one of the most popular video game franchises in the world), starring in Game Of Thrones (the second biggest television show in the world), and having NBA athletes imitate their walk on the court. Who announced a fake retirement last year and had it blow up all over the internet and the media almost instantly (followed by reporters at the UFC 200 press conference asking more questions about him than any of the fighters actually present there.) It's Conor, it's always Conor. Other than Rousey, it's basically Conor and everyone else as far as massive star power goes. But if you really want to pretend that these other cats are magically drawing numbers for Conor despite no other measureable way of them coming anywhere close to his popularity, then go ahead.

No wonder you can't comprehend what I'm telling you. Conor' balls are stuck in your mouth. That post at the end was pure dick sucking.

You said Ronda helped Anderson's numbers because it was proven LATER that she would become a star. My point is that at that time no one knew who she was outside of the people who knew MMA. Rouseys career really blew up in 2014 and especially 2015. You can't call Miesha Tate, Holly Holm, and Wonderboy nobodies. Nearly all of those guys have had celebrities visit them before fights. Not just Conor. I've seen Lady Gaga visit Woodley, DiCaprio visit the Diaz's, and Holly Holm was on every talk show after her destruction of Rousey. So they are far from no names.

And Im not going to address the last post because it's pure fanboyism. If Conor wasn't with the UFC he would have still been the same person and all of those people would probably still not know who the hell he is. My original point is that the reason Conor's numbers at 28 are bigger than Floyd's numbers at 28 is because the UFC promoted him better than TopRank promoted Floyd. once Floyd left Top Rank he became the biggest Pay Per View Attraction in history.