Is daring to be great frowned upon now?

[Mr. Objectivity]

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night my man. At the end of the day every major boxing organization, writer, historian etc recognizes his resume as one of the best of all time. Nothing you can say will change that reality.

Nope. not really.

Actually whats funny is 10 years ago them same floydiots would say after floyd retired all of boxing will miss him and would be at awe of his legacy...Guess what It never happened. ATGs, boxing historians, and REAL boxing fans still acknowledges that floyd is the biggest laughing stock in boxing.

[kafkod]

It depends how you define greatness. All the truly great fighters fought and beat every genuine rival in their own weight division, without marinating or waiting for guys to slide over the hill before facing them.

Every thing else is a sham designed to rip off the fans. But the fans are wise to it now, which is why boxing is dying in the USA, which used to be the greatest boxing nation on Earth.

[BrometheusBob.]

Nope. not really.

Actually whats funny is 10 years ago them same floydiots would say after floyd retired all of boxing will miss him and would be at awe of his legacy...Guess what It never happened. ATGs, boxing historians, and REAL boxing fans still acknowledges that floyd is the biggest laughing stock in boxing.

This path of conversation won't end well for you amigo, you'd probably be best off just admitting that you personally don't like Floyd but recognize that most serious boxing insiders acknowledge his greatness.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/where-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-rank-amongst-all-time-boxing-greats-062113734-boxing.html

I mean here, even before the Pacquiao fight, a panel of boxing media members collectively rated Mayweather as one of the top 20 of all time. And it's not like a comfortable points win over a P4P name in Pacquiao could have lowered his rating in their eyes.

I mean, what exactly are you going to say when Mayweather easily cruises into the HoF on his first ballot?

[sicko]

I think even fans enjoy their guy playing it safe than to risk it all and test themselves. Every time a fighter is called out by another good fighter all I see is "Well He Haven't Fought Anybody!" I do think some fans enjoy trash talking without being held responsible for it one day so yeah they talk tough but as soon as a fight is signed that they feel their guy will lose they jump to their Alts lol

Only see a hand full of fighters today who want to prove they're great in the Ring and is truly willing to face ANYBODY even if it means taking a paycut to get it down!

[Mr. Objectivity]

This path of conversation won't end well for you amigo, you'd probably be best off just admitting that you personally don't like Floyd but recognize that most serious boxing insiders acknowledge his greatness.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/where-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-rank-amongst-all-time-boxing-greats-062113734-boxing.html

I mean here, even before the Pacquiao fight, a panel of boxing media members collectively rated Mayweather as one of the top 20 of all time. And it's not like a comfortable points win over a P4P name in Pacquiao could have lowered his rating in their eyes.

I mean, what exactly are you going to say when Mayweather easily cruises into the HoF on his first ballot?

Ofcourse there are some media outlet who would say that.

Ofcourse he will get in the HOF. Mostly because of his earlier accomplishment in my opinion.


Are you not curious Why ALI was able to overcome those who criticize hims in the past? Well he dared to be great. He didnt leave any question his desire to be recognized the greatest, and he actually backed it up.

In floyds case he couldve been great but he tried to TALK his way into greatness.. It is a universal FACT that floyd avoided/cherrypicked/ducked his entire career to protect his imaginary zero, He thought having a 0= greatness.

[Bullrider]

Calling out top fighters, then dump roadblocks when your bluff is called is not daring to be great. It's deception in the highest order.

Anyone can call out anybody. You can even tweet anybody's name and it doesn't mean a damn thing.

[BrometheusBob.]

Ofcourse there are some media outlet who would say that.

Ofcourse he will get in the HOF. Mostly because of his earlier accomplishment in my opinion.


Are you not curious Why ALI was able to overcome those who criticize hims in the past? Well he dared to be great. He didnt leave any question his desire to be recognized the greatest, and he actually backed it up.

In floyds case he couldve been great but he tried to TALK his way into greatness.. It is a universal FACT that floyd avoided/cherrypicked/ducked his entire career to protect his imaginary zero, He thought having a 0= greatness.

I think your definition of fact needs to be revisited. If you mean the opinion of some salty online fanboys, then you'd be right.

[_Maxi]

Fighters who challenge themselves and go above and beyond seemed to be slammed and ripped apart on here. While fighters who do the bare minimum or even less are praised... WHY??? Is is BAD to challenge yourself and see just how great you really are now??

Fighters are now being called great for beating nothing bit c-class fighters and refusing to challenge themselves by posters who in the same damn breath slam fighters who have fought ATG'S and Hall of famers.. Now i know this site is flooded with clear trolls but damn even media personalities do this **** and give fighters credit for fights that never happened while discrediting fighters for taking real challenges. What is the agenda here?? Is boxing headed in a direction where you talk about doing **** but never do it and still be called great now?

No fighter is daring to be great now. Give me examples of fighters who dared to be great. Mayweather? no. He dared to be rich. He grown up divisions and only moved up to 154 to fight past prime fighters or zombie drained Canelo, for big PPV fights.

Ward? is big enough to fight at LHW and was payed 5+ millions to fight Kovalev.

Crawford? he's moving up to 147 because that's where the money is. He can't make money in 140.

They are all daring to be rich. There are some gray zones also. Golovkin would also move up for big money.

Use the brain son.

[Chollo Vista]

No, it depends. For example, some fanbases want their favorite fighters in tough fights, like Ward fans encouraging him to move up and fight Kovalev because no one at 168 wanted to fight him

Brook fans loving his move to 160 to challenge GGG

Khan fans supporting his move up to 155 to fight Canelo

Lomachenko supporters wanting him to fight Pacquiao

etc.

Then there are other fanbases that have that b*tch ass mentality, they don't want their fighter in any danger, just fighting mandos and clear underdogs. These are the worst, because they rather talk about how the fighter would win those fights, while supporting him babysitting a weak weight class

I wonder who you could be talking about there

[LoadedWraps]

Fighters who challenge themselves and go above and beyond seemed to be slammed and ripped apart on here. While fighters who do the bare minimum or even less are praised... WHY?

The problem is that you think everyone should conform to your definition of what "daring to be great" means.

Without even reading the rest of your post, I already know this is about moving up, a tired argument in which you have been told many times why he shouldn't be expected to move up yet.

Why do you keep asking the same questions to already know the answer to? Do you really expect different answers?