Perfect time to cash in on that 154-168 claim

[Motorcity Cobra]

Let me dumb this all down a bit so that even you can understand it.

Floyd was able to go up and win (and technically "defend") titles in other weight divisions because UNLIKE GGG, Floyd was never burdened with multiple mandatory defense obligations. .

That's all you had to say in the first place. But instead you're arguing and going on and on with two people who said any boxer can hold a title in one class and fight for a title in another, which is true, Brook just did it against GGG. You get so emotional over GGG you start making up arguments for the sake of just making up an argument. Defending him against claims that weren't even leveled at him. You're a weird guy.

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two fighters cannot get any closer in size than golovkin and canelo but we are forced to talk about 3 pound catchweights and **** (not because anyone involved genuinely cares about the weight but because changing it around is the easiest stalling tactic).... so sad

[kafkod]

Ok. So why are you saying the split would't be 60/40 or 55/45 if that's the normal split. To make it 70/30 someone would have to petition the WBC to change the normal splits

The normal split is 70/30.

It can be changed to 60/40, 55/45, or 50/50, in exceptional circumstances, if a majority of the council vote in favour of a change after the issue is examined.

I posted a link to the WBC's own rules where it says that clearly.

And in any case, nobody has any reason to believe that Loeffler would have tried to force a purse bid with GBP.

Neither Oscar nor Canelo have ever mentioned that as a reason for vacating, but you and your buddies regularly talk about it as if it was an established fact.

Another question ... is somebody paying you for this crap?

[kafkod]

What? I never asked to be taken off ignore, and I was all civil when you banned me repeatedly for dismantling your threads and arguments. You just can't help yourself, with the lying and spinning. You do that professionally?

I've been wondering about that myself, and not just about him. The time and energy some of these trolls devote to trying to discredit Golovkin and K2 is astonishing.

[Citizen Koba]

Ok. So why are you saying the split would't be 60/40 or 55/45 if that's the normal split. To make it 70/30 someone would have to petition the WBC to change the normal splits


I explained it in a long post that you said you stopped reading. If you want the answer go back and read it. I explained it pretty well.

Cliff notes: If he turned down $10 mil now he would've turned it down then when it would've been more money due to the mandatory split.



I only hit the ignore button on people who can't hold a respectful conversation. Like I hit the ignore button on you after you stopped debating and started calling names. Then you went on my page wanting me to take the ignore button off, which I did.



Loeffler didn't refute it was a " eight figure offer". If he disputed it let me know. You should always try to make a better deal. But my problem is you guys trying to say $10 mil to fight Canelo is a bad deal because of a PPV split. You know that's not a bad deal. And if you don't know why I'll lay out the reasons for you and feel free to dispute each one

1. GGG has never made $10 mil in a fight and won't ever come close to making that much in his career. People bring up Manny and Floyd as an example but that's a bad example. Manny was damn near making $40 mil per fight. He would've made more than $40 mil in two fights, almost double. GGG would have to fight 5 times to make $10 mil and none of the fights would be on PPV and none of the fights would bring the same reward as beating Canelo on PPV.

2. Beating Canelo is worth more than $10 mil. It's an investment in yourself as a fighter. You beat Canelo and you become the man. Like Floyd and Manny did when they beat Oscar. Floyd made close to $20 mil. He was a bigger draw than GGG is now and Oscar was a bigger draw than Canelo is now.

3. Before the offer GGG said $2 mil was a low offer and the fight should be 50/50. I hope even you as a GGG fan will admit this isn't a 50/50 split fight. That's ridiculous. He felt $2 mil was low but ending up getting offered 4x's that much and he still thinks it's low?


4. Canelo has time on his side. GGG doesn't. As we've seen today Golden Boy is already starting to move on to bigger fights. Chavez vs Canelo is a bigger fight than GGG vs. Canelo. That's a million PPV's no doubt and big time Mexican TV and sponsorship money.

5. He could fight Lemieux, Saunders, and Chavez Jr this year and that would be a great year for him.Chavez Jr on Cinco De Mayo weekend is a big money fight. I hate the Chavez Jr fight but I know that fight is huge and will make a lot of money. If he's able to fight in Feb he'll fight Lemieux, a common GGG opponent. Then fight Saunders in September. That's a great year for Canelo and it doesn't involve GGG. A stay busy fight against a former champ to get used to the weight. The fight all of Mexico wants to see. The WBO middleweight belt. That's a legit year right there. And all the while GGG is fighting Heiland and Blanco getting another year older and becoming more irrelevant.

6. GGG has to do something now! He'll be 35 in Sept 2017. Another year older and another year fighting nobodies. Canelo can bide his time. He can also fight anybody he wants to fight. Everybody from 147 to 168 is waiting on Canelo to give them a call. While another year goes by and GGG is claiming everybody is ducking him while turning down eight figure offers but he can't even afford to pay his opposition $2 mil.

I personally can't see much to disagree with in your post. Time is on Canelos side and ultimately he can do just fine without Golovkin, or if he chooses simply wait til Golovkin looks more beatable. Also Golovkin is unlikely to get a $10 mil payday elsewhere, furthermore with the recent slew of poor PPV showings I'm far from certain this PPV would do as well as some seem to think and $10 mil flat (if that is the figure) may not be such a bad offer.

The one thing with which I would take issue is that Golovkin will become some kind of PPV star by beating Canelo. I just don't think it happens that way. There just aren't any other real saleable opponents for GGG, and as we've seen, even Canelo himself can't really do big numbers without a name opponent. As I've said before 20 million Mexicans aren't suddenly gonna start tuning in twice a year to watch a Kazakh beat up on his latest mando (or even, say, some British SMW).

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Ditto Rigo. Some are even saying average punching Lara gets ducked lol. Do you ever think before making a post?

Lol... Do YOU think before making a post? Do you think it's all about power? They are saying he is ducking Lara because Lara has an ugly style that would make anyone look bad.

Just, please, ssshh.

Take your own advice and think before you post.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

He signed a 3 fight contract with HBO requiring him to fight Kovalev. He could have passed if he wanted to stay on BET. You don't remember any of this?

And how much money was he making fighting on those other networks? Exactly.

[robertzimmerman]

For real. We're supposed to believe that everyone is ducking GGG when there have been much bigger punchers than him that people did not duck. Lol

Why do you keep repeating this?


What do you mean:

"We're supposed to believe..."

?


Again, we KNOW he's been ducked.


Just because bigger punchers than him haven't been ducked, it doesn't mean that he hasn't.

[robertzimmerman]

who talks like this? You sound like a poster kid just sticking up the poster

How many real Golovkin fans have been begging BJS to fight him? If you know what ''unifying means'' in the case of Golovkin, it means the final road is BJS. HBO nor Loeffler believe in Golovkin's marketability after getting the WBO. That's the main reason why he doesn't have the belt. Just a waste of talent Golovkin is because that's all he's confident at, 160, his legacy weight and a bum resume. NSB been yapping of Golovkin for 2 good years about opposition we'Re going on to 3 soon. Face it, dude is afraid of north. Old geeza

Dude is afraid of North?

On what grounds?

That he hasn't gone there yet?

[robertzimmerman]

Because he would've turned that down as well. He was guaranteed a 45% split which would've been higher than $10 mil. GGG himself has said he thinks the split should be 50/50. He's not guaranteed the fight and he's still turning down double the amount of money he's ever made and will never come close to making again. His average purse is around $2mil. He'd have to fight 5 times to make what Canelo offered. And the recognition he'd gain from beating Canelo is worth more than $10mil. That's really the part I don't understand. Let's be honest. I know you're a GGG fan but you gotta be honest, $10 mil is a lot of money. Especially when he stands to gain so much more than money. I just don't understand how he can turn down this fight over money. That $10 mil is an investment in a bigger scheme. Beat Canelo and you're the man. The PPV star. The one offering other fighters $10 mil while you make $30 mil with the PPV upside. It's just confusing to me why he would turn down that much money in a fight he should win and with so much to gain. It's crazy and I know deep down you know it's crazy too. All of GGG fans know deep down that he should take that offer

Stop talking bollocks.

He hasn't accepted Oscar's offer, because Oscar has proven to be untrustworthy in the past, and NOBODY would accept a flat fee, 12 months out, from one of the biggest grossing fights of all time.

It's like you, very SIMPLE.

There's nothing crazy about it.

He will negotiate again further down the line.

As always you only look at things from one perspective.

GG will also be Canelo's biggest payday.

When Oscar's serious about making the fight, he'll sit down with K2, in private, where they can compromise on a fair split.