Perfect time to cash in on that 154-168 claim

[Sledgeweather17]

That JMW Canelo who held the lineal MW title?

Eubank was a big money keep busy fight.

Lara never wanted the fight. His own manager has confirmed that.

Ward called him out after he'd signed to fight Lemieux and he was awaiting the outcome of Cotto-Canelo.


Try harder.

Pathetic excuses. So he fought Eubank for money? I thought he was a fighter and not a business man?

What about the pathetic 164 catchweight he asked for Ward even though he was willing to fight Froch and Chavez at 168?

Lol, when did Lara's manager say that Lara don't want the fight? Please, stop making up ****, surely you can do better than this?

[HeroBando]

Virgil Hunter, trainer of former super middleweight king Andre Ward (28-0, 15KOs), is disappointed that a showdown never happened with WBA/IBO/IBF middleweight champion Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs).Roc Nation Sports stating to BoxingScene.com several weeks ago that Golovkin's promoter, Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions, rejected their advances in 36 minutes.... Ward eventually negotiated a three-fight agreement with HBO, but part of that agreement required Ward to move up in weight to 175-pounds - and Ward had to agree to a 2016 showdown with WBA/WBO/IBF light heavyweight king Sergey Kovalev.

I think the opponents were there and I’m quite surprised that he was asked to go to that division before he and Golovkin got a chance to fight," Hunter told On The Ropes Boxing Radio.


We were forced to go to 175

They're [HBO] trying to make Kovalev a star at the expense of Ward's name...and to protect GGG from a loss.

But you were trying to tell me the Hbo contract stipulated he fights Kovalev OR Ggg. That doesn't prove that at all, more like disproves. Should have used that ignore button

[OnePunch]

These are your words not mine



That's exactly what Brook did when he fought GGG. Words matter. Use them correctly if you're trying to make a point. Don't expect me to understand what you're trying to say. What you're really doing is getting caught in your excuses and BS and then moving the goalposts after the fact.

those are not my words ******ass those are the words of the other poster I replied to, which I even pointed out in the post. Reading is fundamental

Im done. You have gone full ******

[Sledgeweather17]

He didn't have 3 main belts like GG has, and like others have noted, he never had any mandatory obligations.

Which dangerous guys came calling?

Kell Brook was a last minute replacement for Chris Eubank. And Eubank was only accepted because Canelo dropped the lineal MW belt to fight Liam Smith.

Tell me why he accepted Eubank instead of Lara?

Didn't have three main belts? Are you fuucking nuts? So if the WBO, WBC and WBA aren't main belts, that what the fuuuck are the main belts?

[OnePunch]

Tell me why he accepted Eubank instead of Lara?

Didn't have three main belts? Are you fuucking nuts? So if the WBO, WBC and WBA aren't main belts, that what the fuuuck are the main belts?

I can tell you why: Its likely because there is about a ZERO chance that HBO will ever allow Lara on their network again

And also lets not forget that Eddie Hearn was willing to make certain financial guarantees for the Eubank/Brook fights (because unlike Lara they actually bring revenue to the event) that one would suspect that Haymon was not willing to make for Lara.

[HeroBando]

Tell me why he accepted Eubank instead of Lara?

Didn't have three main belts? Are you fuucking nuts? So if the WBO, WBC and WBA aren't main belts, that what the fuuuck are the main belts?

One guy brings big money and exposure, other guy brings nothing except big money demands and unhappy viewers.

Hey Ggg has 3 belts. That's 3 mandos. It's never been an easier time to get that Ggg fight you've been chasing for years.

[Motorcity Cobra]

those are not my words ******ass those are the words of the other poster I replied to, which I even pointed out in the post. Reading is fundamental

Im done. You have gone full ******

The poster you replied to said Floyd was able to fight for the 154 belts while holding the 147 belts. Just like Brook did against Canelo.

Mayweather fought for titles at 154lbs without vacating his 147 belts. So why would triple hype have to vacate his belts to challenge someone at 168?

Enough with the pathetic excuses. You fools expose yourselves and your boy every time you hit the keyboard.

He was responding to this poster who said GGG would have to drop his belts if he fought for another belt. The same thing Brook just did but didn't have to drop his belts

Um.....no. Wait for Canelo and Charlo to move and and get the big fights, you just want to vacate his belts so that all those effort on unifying them will be for naught. If you want for GGG to move up then ask Crawford to move up to 147 and fight these hungry lions so that there will be no double standards. The 160 will be a strong division once these two will move up and 140 isn't going to be better and 168 isn't going to be better so why not shut up and wait for Father time to do it's work so that we can get the big fights, because fans like you is what destroys boxing, you don't have the patience for these big fights, always yapping and yapping and yapping, and once they happen you yap again and wants another in a day or two and you don't even pay for these big fights because you are too cheap and wants everything for free and stream it.

But you're so quick to jump in and defend GGG you don't even bother to read or follow the conversation. After the poster, sledgehammer said Floyd held a belt and fought for another in a different weight class you responded by saying Floyd was treated different than other fighters. Which he was but holding a belt while fighting for another in a different weight class isn't special treatment, it's normal. Brook just did it against GGG.

because Floyd generated so much money that the sanctioning bodies never forced him to make mandatory defenses, he had the ability to pick and choose whomever he wanted to fight. GGG on the other hand has 3 different titles, with 3 different mandatory obligation timelines, and they arent giving him a free pass like Floyd got.

I thought you were smarter than this?

Then I had to remind you, THE FORMER PROMOTER, that the WBO is the only org that doesn't allow you to hold belts in 2 different weight classes. And here you are again saying that's special treatment even though Brook just did it against GGG and the only org which doesn't allow you to do it is the WBO, the belt GGG doesn't have

I didnt bring up Floyd, another poster did and was trying to say that since Floyd was able to fight for 154 titles while still holding on to 147 titles then GGG should be able to do the same thing. I simply pointed out that Floyd and GGG are not treated the same way by the sanctioning bodies. That is a fact.

Then you change it from fighting for a title in one weight class while holding a title in another weight class to defending a lower weight belt while fighting for a higher weight belt. When you changed it to that I agreed with you.

so being able to have a 147 title fight count as a 154 mandatory defense isnt "special treatment"?

GTFOH with that nonsense

You're so quick to jump in and take up for GGG I'm seriously starting to think you invested in him financially. I know promoters buy into fighters like a stock. Be honest. Do you have money invested in GGG?

[Motorcity Cobra]

But you were trying to tell me the Hbo contract stipulated he fights Kovalev OR Ggg. That doesn't prove that at all, more like disproves. Should have used that ignore button

The article literally says part of his HBO contract was to agree to move up to 175 and agree to fight Kovalev. The interviews I posted had Virgil saying they were forced to move up to fight Kovalev by HBO in order to get the contract. One reason was to make Kovalev a star and the other was to protect GGG. I gave you the info you asked for. Nothing much I can do from here

[HeroBando]

The article literally says part of his HBO contract was to agree to move up to 175 and agree to fight Kovalev. The interviews I posted had Virgil saying they were forced to move up to fight Kovalev by HBO in order to get the contract. One reason was to make Kovalev a star and the other was to protect GGG. I gave you the info you asked for. Nothing much I can do from here

Let's backtrack a bit. You were trying to tell me Hbo gave him an option of fighting either Ggg or Kovalev for the tuneuos, and he went the Kovalev route after Ggg passed. Turns out Hbo wasn't in on his Ggg stunt at all, now you're saying they were actively protecting Ggg. If you can get your story straight, I'll help you through this.

[OnePunch]

The poster you replied to said Floyd was able to fight for the 154 belts while holding the 147 belts. Just like Brook did against Canelo.



He was responding to this poster who said GGG would have to drop his belts if he fought for another belt. The same thing Brook just did but didn't have to drop his belts



But you're so quick to jump in and defend GGG you don't even bother to read or follow the conversation. After the poster, sledgehammer said Floyd held a belt and fought for another in a different weight class you responded by saying Floyd was treated different than other fighters. Which he was but holding a belt while fighting for another in a different weight class isn't special treatment, it's normal. Brook just did it against GGG.




Then I had to remind you, THE FORMER PROMOTER, that the WBO is the only org that doesn't allow you to hold belts in 2 different weight classes. And here you are again saying that's special treatment even though Brook just did it against GGG and the only org which doesn't allow you to do it is the WBO, the belt GGG doesn't have



Then you change it from fighting for a title in one weight class while holding a title in another weight class to defending a lower weight belt while fighting for a higher weight belt. When you changed it to that I agreed with you.



You're so quick to jump in and take up for GGG I'm seriously starting to think you invested in him financially. I know promoters buy into fighters like a stock. Be honest. Do you have money invested in GGG?

Let me dumb this all down a bit so that even you can understand it.

Floyd was able to go up and win (and technically "defend") titles in other weight divisions because UNLIKE GGG, Floyd was never burdened with multiple mandatory defense obligations.

Now you can spin that anyway you want. You can say its because Floyd didnt have the IBF, or whatever, but the bottom line is that GGG is in a position right now that Floyd was NEVER in, at least not in the past 7 or 8 years.

GGG and Floyd are not, and were not in even remotely similar situations. GGG will be forced to fight solely mandatory defenses or the Saunders unification for most of 2017. He has the WBA mando in March, then an IBF mando will be due next. Sure, he might could get the Saunders fight after that, but if he cant Im sure the WBC will want him to do a mando prior to the Canelo fight (if that even happens). Perhaps the WBC will wait considering how much money would be on the line, but who knows at this point? Its still likely his 2017 would look like this: Jacobs / Saunders or T. Johnson/ WBC mando / Canelo. And thats assuming he can even get 4 fights in 2017. Based on Loefflers track record the past 2 years, thats not likely

Its real easy to say "oh why cant he go take a fight at 168?" when you dont actually consider the consequences of doing that at the moment.