Was Crawford at fault for not getting the Pac fight?

[Thraxox]

They were all easier than Floyd, which is what I posted. Don't change what I typed to fit your argument.

I already addressed that. Manny is a proven liar so I don't believe that. he didn't fight TC because TC is a hig risk, no reward opponent. He fought Vargas because he was an easy opponent.

It's Manny and Bob's fault TC didn't get the Manny fight and Vargas did. To those of us that watch the sport Vargas was ALWAYS going to be the opponent.

"They were easier than Floyd." So what you are saying it is a cherry pick for PAcquiao as long as it is not Floyd? So what is Maidana, Ortiz, Berto, Guerrero to you?
So what you are just saying just going to the road where your agenda lies, and ignoring the evidence or interviews where TC said 140 or duck and just say "Manny is a proven Liar." no wonder you people get called the F word.

[Thraxox]

Crawford's team's reaction to a Pac fight was the same as Broner's and Danny Garcia's. They throw invectives and talk trash just the mere mention of a Pac fight. They don't see it as an opportunity to prove themselves and a chance to beat an aging superstar in boxing. They're prepared to give Bob Arum hell in the negotiating table. Difference is Crawford is a TR fighter.






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Yeah but 'certain' demographic ignores that despite the facts and evidences, just like the guy I was talking.

[The Big Dunn]

Ah, so a fake injury needs surgery right? Kobe's doctor confirmed the rotator cuff and manny applied for Toradol use in NSAC it just shows how shallow you are in this topic.

I get it, you are a die hard floyd fan thinking he is the best fighter in the world who fought ATG's where he never fought a Prime A-level fighter.

Manny got the surgery to prevent the lawsuits. He requested the shot after checking the box that he wasn't hurt, thats why he didn't get the shot.

Now you are just repackaging my posts because you have no way to refute what was posted. I am a huge Floyd fan that watched him beat Manny. That has nothing to do with this thread.

Sorry dude, TC didn't duck Manny. Manny and Bob picked Vargas as any fan with common sense predicted he would. Vargas was the choice out of the 3-Vargas, TC, AB-that was just like the other choices.

He was the easier opponent, in house opponent, and commanded the least purse.

I'm sorry Manny/Bob disappointed you by picking Vargas but that isn't TC's fault, it's Bob/Manny's.

[Thraxox]

Manny got the surgery to prevent the lawsuits. He requested the shot after checking the box that he wasn't hurt, thats why he didn't get the shot.

Now you are just repackaging my posts because you have no way to refute what was posted. I am a huge Floyd fan that watched him beat Manny. That has nothing to do with this thread.

Sorry dude, TC didn't duck Manny. Manny and Bob picked Vargas as any fan with common sense predicted he would. Vargas was the choice out of the 3-Vargas, TC, AB-that was just like the other choices.

He was the easier opponent, in house opponent, and commanded the least purse.

I'm sorry Manny/Bob disappointed you by picking Vargas but that isn't TC's fault, it's Bob/Manny's.

Must have been a bigger disappointment when Floyd pick Berto.

Man you guys are shallow, after all the facts, evidences of the surgery and how TC demanded a 140 fight you kept on going in of the delusion that Pacquiao avoided TC by saying Low reward high risk fight when TC gives a lot of money for Pacquiao.

[The Big Dunn]

"They were easier than Floyd." So what you are saying it is a cherry pick for PAcquiao as long as it is not Floyd? So what is Maidana, Ortiz, Berto, Guerrero to you?
So what you are just saying just going to the road where your agenda lies, and ignoring the evidence or interviews where TC said 140 or duck and just say "Manny is a proven Liar." no wonder you people get called the F word.

I'm not ignoring it. It just isn't believable that statement made Bob/Manny not pick him. The only reason you are believing it and not looking at other facts is because you like Manny and do not want to admit he took the easier fight.

We have historical evidence. the same thing has happened multiple times. those of us that have seen it all predicted it would be Vargas.

The only question is what made youn think it wouldn't be Vargas, other than your love for Manny?

[Thraxox]

I'm not ignoring it. It just isn't believable that statement made Bob/Manny not pick him. The only reason you are believing it and not looking at other facts is because you like Manny and do not want to admit he took the easier fight.

We have historical evidence. the same thing has happened multiple times. those of us that have seen it all predicted it would be Vargas.

The only question is what made youn think it wouldn't be Vargas, other than your love for Manny?

Historical evidence, Pacquiao got a tune up fight in Rios after he got KTFO by Marquez and was a year off from boxing. And he fought Algerie as a tune up for Floyd, then he fought top 3 pound for pound 2014 and top 9 pound for 2016 fighter in Bradley three times. That is your historical evidence of cherry picks and easier fights?

Question? Easy. TC gives Manny more money than Vargas and is a name. The only thing is the weight where Pacquiao hasn't been on for 7 years, so PAc took the easier role of negotiation on Vargas.

So my question to you also, if JMM, Margarito, Bradley are cherry picks, what is Maidana, Guerrero, Berto, Ortiz to you?

[The Big Dunn]

Must have been a bigger disappointment when Floyd pick Berto.

Man you guys are shallow, after all the facts, evidences of the surgery and how TC demanded a 140 fight you kept on going in of the delusion that Pacquiao avoided TC by saying Low reward high risk fight when TC gives a lot of money for Pacquiao.

No it wasn't. I figured and posted Floyd would pick an easy opponent to finish out the SHO contract so he'd be undefeated and go for 50-0. Again, that has nothing to do with this thread.

Dude, you keep looking at the small picture instead of the bigger one. A loss or bad performance against TC takes the rematch off the table. The rematch is already tenuous given how the 1st fight went. Despite all the problems, it is still the biggest fight in the sport.

I am not saying Manny ducked TC, Bob/Manny just took on Vargas because there is no risk to losing which would take the lucrative Floyd rematch off the table.

Its the business side of the sport, not some childish NSB "duck" crap.

[The Big Dunn]

Historical evidence, Pacquiao got a tune up fight in Rios after he got KTFO by Marquez and was a year off from boxing. And he fought Algerie as a tune up for Floyd, then he fought top 3 pound for pound 2014 and top 9 pound for 2016 fighter in Bradley three times. That is your historical evidence of cherry picks and easier fights?

Question? Easy. TC gives Manny more money than Vargas and is a name. The only thing is the weight where Pacquiao hasn't been on for 7 years, so PAc took the easier role of negotiation on Vargas.

So my question to you also, if JMM, Margarito, Bradley are cherry picks, what is Maidana, Guerrero, Berto, Ortiz to you?

I never said cherry picks. I think the problem is you are looking at this from a very NSB childish perspective-ducking, cherry picks-while I am looking at it from a long term business perspective. There are reasons Manny chose Vargas and those reasons are perfectly viable. TC's statement is not the driving force in why the fight didn't happen.

I remind you that almost all of us that picked Vargas did so well before TC made the statement.

I never said they were cherry picks did I? Grow up and stop being so emotional. They were easier fights than Floyd. Vargas was easier than TC. that is the comparison I made.

AM I incorrect?

[Thraxox]

I never said cherry picks. I think the problem is you are looking at this from a very NSB childish perspective-ducking, cherry picks-while I am looking at it from a long term business perspective. There are reasons Manny chose Vargas and those reasons are perfectly viable. TC's statement is not the driving force in why the fight didn't happen.

I remind you that almost all of us that picked Vargas did so well before TC made the statement.

I never said they were cherry picks did I? Grow up and stop being so emotional. They were easier fights than Floyd. Vargas was easier than TC. that is the comparison I made.

AM I incorrect?

The discussion is becoming circular and would never come to a conclusion. Unless you want to argue circular arguments in the topic there's nothing to come about on this.

And so you didn't say that Pacquiao has a historical evidence of taking easier fights? That translate to cherry picking.

[The Big Dunn]

The discussion is becoming circular and would never come to a conclusion. Unless you want to argue circular arguments in the topic there's nothing to come about on this.

And so you didn't say that Pacquiao has a historical evidence of taking easier fights? That translate to cherry picking.

In context dude. I said he has a history of taking the easier fight relative to Floyd, not his whole career. I gave the examples.

The reason its circular is because you refuse to acknowledge the points being made. You want to blame TC because most posters blame Bob/manny, some for the reasons I gave, some for other reasons.

I get you are focusing on TC's comment but you give that comment a level of respect that TC simply doesn't have at this point in his career.

If Floyd or ODH had said that you'd have a point because they were A sides and controlled negotiations. TC doesn't yet you treat him like he does.

edit: you changed what I posted and sigged it? WTF??