Was Crawford at fault for not getting the Pac fight?

[Thraxox]

You can't use triangle theories as every fight is different. He didn't struggle against either guy dude.

Manny lost because of Floyd's length and ability to bx and move. Manny may have been better in 2010, but so was Floyd. Floyd was LAWAYS going to be a problem for Mnany because of his size, speed and arm length.

That's what I meant, Manny is better at 2010 and so is Floyd, so does that mean the "weaker" Manny in 2015 would against "Weaker" Floyd of 2015 would go just like 2010? It is a complete mystery on how it would have go. Manny lost a lot of speed, and agression since the KO and he wasn't as near as fast or as agressive or as fast on his feet in the fight, coupled with the fact that he was injured and he was still competetive in the fight.

The 2010 fight of May vs Pac is nowhere near the 2015 because these guys were already 5 years passed their primes, they lost the speed, the reflex and agression. Pacquiao could be consistent with his agression and his punch out put in the 2010 fight and May would have been much more sound on his offense as his defense in the 2010 fight, so we will never know how would have it goes if it was a Prime for Prime match up because 2015 was nowhere near that.

[Thraxox]

Mayweather beat a healthier Cotto, and Cotto was a beast at 154. He said he wanted to make the fight exciting.

Mayweather became the first boxer to beat Hatton. Hatton was tailored made for Pacquiao, and Pacquiao caught him with one of the best punches of all time.

Mayweather beat a healthier Cotto? Oh what did Cotto said in the post fight?

"I don't have an excuse for Manny. I was in great shape, I can eat, sleep, drink water, I had a great camp for the fight, but It just wasn't my night." So what does that mean? Did Cotto lie? And the fact that Cotto basically trained himself on the fight, he never had the camp to prepare against Floyd because his trainer was in conflict with him and was refusing to give instructions during the fight and in the camp.

Hatton lost to Floyd at 147 where he got a gift against Collazo. Hatton also doing some damage against Floyd till when Cortez ****ed hatton's game plan when Hatton wasn't allowed to get on the inside, so he has to jump in right in for Floyd which Floyd easily capitalizes and Ko's him.

Manny fought hatton at his best weight class at 140 and dropped him numerous times. He would have been finished by the time the second half of the third round kicks in if he didn't landed the KO punch.

[The Big Dunn]

manny boxed and moved better than floyd which enabled him to land the much cleaner punches. clean punches only matter in some fights though...some fights you just have to feel who the winner is. in your gut.

wahggum, please stop.

[The Big Dunn]

Pacquiao has the biggest cash in for Crawford, a guaranteed 10 million and a new star if Crawford wins. Manny never said he would go back fighting at 140, but he was only considering it because he was unsure how he would perform there, he only said that he could make 140 and 135 and it was roach who said that manny would be go back fighting 140 and Roach is not the voice of manny.

Manny in numerous interviews already stated that he is negotiating the three possibile fights. An AB fight, A TC fight or a Vargas fight. AB wanted 10 million, so he was out of the deal. Manny mentioned that Crawford was going to be it, and was looking for a date then Crawford started mouthing on 140 or a duck then he picks Vargas for that reason and the TC fight gets thrown out of the window.

"Manny is a Proven Liar." So if he is a proven Liar, does that mean he doesn't speak the truth this time? We have seen how Arum back stabs Pacquiao, so Arum doesn't have heart for him to protect him from his new star. It is only the perception that Manny still makes money off, and Arum lost some in the TB III fight.It was TC who blew the fight off for demanding it at 140 instead of accepting it at 147.

dude, when the choices were announced 85% of NSB said Vargas would get the fight. the 15% who didn't are diehard fans like you that want desperately to believe Manny is like the image TR has crafted. We have seen this before.

In 2010 Manny/Bob allegedly wanted Floyd. Then Margs did the interview where he said he was promised a Manny fight by Bob. sure enough, Margs got the fight. Then Bob starts blaming Floyd. This is no different.


Vargas was the easier fight, just like JMM 4, Margs , rios, algieiri, bradley were all easier than Floyd. Manny in the last few years has always taken the easier fight. You may not want to admit this but the evidence is right in front of you.

Arum is protecting the best interests of his company. he can always make the TC fight. Why would he make a high risk, no reward fight for Manny that could threaten the most lucrative fight in the sport being made?

Look dude, if you blame TC, so be it. It defies reason that TC could dictate to Bob if Bob wanted him to fight Manny. It further defies logic that TC would not take a Manny fight at 147.

I get you love Manny but this is ridiculous.

[The Big Dunn]

That's what I meant, Manny is better at 2010 and so is Floyd, so does that mean the "weaker" Manny in 2015 would against "Weaker" Floyd of 2015 would go just like 2010? It is a complete mystery on how it would have go. Manny lost a lot of speed, and agression since the KO and he wasn't as near as fast or as agressive or as fast on his feet in the fight, coupled with the fact that he was injured and he was still competetive in the fight.

The 2010 fight of May vs Pac is nowhere near the 2015 because these guys were already 5 years passed their primes, they lost the speed, the reflex and agression. Pacquiao could be consistent with his agression and his punch out put in the 2010 fight and May would have been much more sound on his offense as his defense in the 2010 fight, so we will never know how would have it goes if it was a Prime for Prime match up because 2015 was nowhere near that.

Floyd however didn't lose any arm length or ring IQ, which is why he controlled the fight. Manny in 2010 couldn't cut off the ring and Floyd was much younger, fresher and could move more.

The fake injury dude, really?

Look man, you are just a diehard Manny fan who is going to his grave believing Manny had a chance to beat Floyd.In reality, Floyd's ability to box and move, his height and most importantly his 5 inch reach advantage were always going to be difficult for Manny regardless of when they fought.

It's sad that you hold on to "not knowing" what would've happened in 201 because the loss in 2015 upset you so much.

As for this thread, it isn't believable that TC dictated to Arum and Manny.

[Thraxox]

dude, when the choices were announced 85% of NSB said Vargas would get the fight. the 15% who didn't are diehard fans like you that want desperately to believe Manny is like the image TR has crafted. We have seen this before.

In 2010 Manny/Bob allegedly wanted Floyd. Then Margs did the interview where he said he was promised a Manny fight by Bob. sure enough, Margs got the fight. Then Bob starts blaming Floyd. This is no different.


Vargas was the easier fight, just like JMM 4, Margs , rios, algieiri, bradley were all easier than Floyd. Manny in the last few years has always taken the easier fight. You may not want to admit this but the evidence is right in front of you.

Arum is protecting the best interests of his company. he can always make the TC fight. Why would he make a high risk, no reward fight for Manny that could threaten the most lucrative fight in the sport being made?

Look dude, if you blame TC, so be it. It defies reason that TC could dictate to Bob if Bob wanted him to fight Manny. It further defies logic that TC would not take a Manny fight at 147.

I get you love Manny but this is ridiculous.

Of course he would take the easier fight. But calling Bradley, a Super Middleweight Margarito and JMM an easy fight is ridiculous and just shows how your reasoning is flawed and just smokes through Pacquiao to just blame him without a given thought . And what do you mean by TR image of Manny? What? Didn't he fought through ATG opposition in his life time as a boxer? So is it still a TR image of Manny that he takes dangerous fights when needed? Now that he is viable to pick who he wants, he gets it and you don't want that, but completely ignores the cherry picks of a certain fighter you like.

"It defies reason that TC could dictate to Bob if Bob wanted him to fight Manny." I never said that, I said It was TC's fault for mouthing 140 or duck to Manny when Manny considered fighting him. Manny said that he already considers fighting Crawford in the interviews, but then back tracks and said that he didn't fought Crawford because Crawford wanted it at 140, and then like you said, TC can't dictate anything, Pacquiao chooses Vargas.

So whose at fault here? TC pretending to be the A-side or Pacquiao when the evidence is in front of you?

[jqSide]

Crawford's team's reaction to a Pac fight was the same as Broner's and Danny Garcia's. They throw invectives and talk trash just the mere mention of a Pac fight. They don't see it as an opportunity to prove themselves and a chance to beat an aging superstar in boxing. They're prepared to give Bob Arum hell in the negotiating table. Difference is Crawford is a TR fighter.






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[Larry the boss]

But Manny can make 135 so why not fight Crawford at 140?

[Thraxox]

Floyd however didn't lose any arm length or ring IQ, which is why he controlled the fight. Manny in 2010 couldn't cut off the ring and Floyd was much younger, fresher and could move more.

The fake injury dude, really?

Look man, you are just a diehard Manny fan who is going to his grave believing Manny had a chance to beat Floyd.In reality, Floyd's ability to box and move, his height and most importantly his 5 inch reach advantage were always going to be difficult for Manny regardless of when they fought.

It's sad that you hold on to "not knowing" what would've happened in 201 because the loss in 2015 upset you so much.

As for this thread, it isn't believable that TC dictated to Arum and Manny.

Ah, so a fake injury needs surgery right? Kobe's doctor confirmed the rotator cuff and manny applied for Toradol use in NSAC it just shows how shallow you are in this topic.

I get it, you are a die hard floyd fan thinking he is the best fighter in the world who fought ATG's where he never fought a Prime A-level fighter.

[The Big Dunn]

Of course he would take the easier fight. But calling Bradley, a Super Middleweight Margarito and JMM an easy fight is ridiculous and just shows how your reasoning is flawed and just smokes through Pacquiao to just blame him without a given thought . And what do you mean by TR image of Manny? What? Didn't he fought through ATG opposition in his life time as a boxer? So is it still a TR image of Manny that he takes dangerous fights when needed? Now that he is viable to pick who he wants, he gets it and you don't want that, but completely ignores the cherry picks of a certain fighter you like.

"It defies reason that TC could dictate to Bob if Bob wanted him to fight Manny." I never said that, I said It was TC's fault for mouthing 140 or duck to Manny when Manny considered fighting him. Manny said that he already considers fighting Crawford in the interviews, but then back tracks and said that he didn't fought Crawford because Crawford wanted it at 140, and then like you said, TC can't dictate anything, Pacquiao chooses Vargas.

So whose at fault here? TC pretending to be the A-side or Pacquiao when the evidence is in front of you?

They were all easier than Floyd, which is what I posted. Don't change what I typed to fit your argument.

I already addressed that. Manny is a proven liar so I don't believe that. he didn't fight TC because TC is a hig risk, no reward opponent. He fought Vargas because he was an easy opponent.

It's Manny and Bob's fault TC didn't get the Manny fight and Vargas did. To those of us that watch the sport Vargas was ALWAYS going to be the opponent.