Comments Thread For: Jessie Vargas Thinks Pacquiao Might Be Too Big For Lomachenko

[anonymous2.0]

why are people acting like Salido can't beat him again? ..

Salido's had a lot of fights, wars, and knock downs, every time he gets in the ring I always wonder if that's the night he gets old.

[EL_GRINGO]

It is my opinion that Pacquiao is not a real Welterweight (like he has mentioned himself not so long ago)
He's a more natural 135 to 140 guy, so i don't see it as GGG/Brook or Canelo/Khan.
At 135 im favoring Lomachenko to win it,i don't have many points here yet and willing to bet,my first bet here in fact and go all in that Loma will win this epic showdown,i wanna see this!!

[angkag]

Yeah. I get the bigger fighting smaller point but what's your view on it?

Oops, apologies, my take is that Vargas is stating a rather obvious opinion, and is correct if looking at Pac regularly weighing in currently at 144, while Loma is weighing in at 130.

As Loma said, he could make 135 lbs in a year. What he meant is that it would take a year to get to the point where he could fight as a true 135 lber. He could walk into the ring and fight at 135 tomorrow if he wanted to (or 140), he just wouldn't be fighting as a true 135 lber (or 140 lber).

But the fights not tomorrow, it IS next year, so 135 is NOT too big for Loma to fight at next year.

Pac typically weighs in at 144 for 147 fights. That gives some indication that he's not trying very hard on the scales to make 147 ! ie not dehydrating or anything - it suggests that if he WERE trying to make weight and dehydrate, he could make 140 very easily. Not saying he would do that, he would train for 140, so that he didn't have to do anything draining to make weight - he's a pro.

So in a years time, 135 easy for Loma, 140 easy for Pac. Thats not very far apart is it !

Any higher than 135 stretches Loma a bit, any lower than 140 stretches Pac a bit, so to me, you've got the potential for them to meet on the scales at around 137 or 138.

Loma's a purist and would normally insist on the divisional weight limits, but its the one occasion I can see him bending on that as so many people would want the fight, including him.

Will it happen ? Probably not, lots of things can get in the way before now and then, but its possible. If they both REALLY want it, then it probably WILL happen though - the current weight difference isn't an insurmountable one.

Comparison with Khan and Brook isn't a fair one, as neither had time to train and develop into a higher-weight fighter, so it really was big man vs small man in those cases (no matter what Brook or Khan weighed, it wasn't put on properly).

On the night it might be Loma having a weight disadvantage (but a small one), while Pac has the age disadvantage (which in my mind is the real determining factor in the fight).

Also consider Loma is still approaching his peak, in a year he will be closer to it. Meantime in a year Pac will be further away from his.

Its an intriguing fight given Pac's unquestionable pedigree and Loma's skills and potential. And I can see a lot of pundits going either way (suspect Loma will get the majority vote on the age aspect alone, but easy to go with's Pac's proven record over Loma's skinny one).

[Doctor_Tenma]

Pacquiao is, we're forgetting that Lomachenko doesn't have that good of a reach and he likes to tap his opponents to draw counters, that's not gonna fly well against Pacquiao. Arum is just talking, I get it but as fans we're suppose to be smarter than that.

[siablo14]

Oops, apologies, my take is that Vargas is stating a rather obvious opinion, and is correct if looking at Pac regularly weighing in currently at 144, while Loma is weighing in at 130.

As Loma said, he could make 135 lbs in a year. What he meant is that it would take a year to get to the point where he could fight as a true 135 lber. He could walk into the ring and fight at 135 tomorrow if he wanted to (or 140), he just wouldn't be fighting as a true 135 lber (or 140 lber).

But the fights not tomorrow, it IS next year, so 135 is NOT too big for Loma to fight at next year.

Pac typically weighs in at 144 for 147 fights. That gives some indication that he's not trying very hard on the scales to make 147 ! ie not dehydrating or anything - it suggests that if he WERE trying to make weight and dehydrate, he could make 140 very easily. Not saying he would do that, he would train for 140, so that he didn't have to do anything draining to make weight - he's a pro.

So in a years time, 135 easy for Loma, 140 easy for Pac. Thats not very far apart is it !

Any higher than 135 stretches Loma a bit, any lower than 140 stretches Pac a bit, so to me, you've got the potential for them to meet on the scales at around 137 or 138.

Loma's a purist and would normally insist on the divisional weight limits, but its the one occasion I can see him bending on that as so many people would want the fight, including him.

Will it happen ? Probably not, lots of things can get in the way before now and then, but its possible. If they both REALLY want it, then it probably WILL happen though - the current weight difference isn't an insurmountable one.

Comparison with Khan and Brook isn't a fair one, as neither had time to train and develop into a higher-weight fighter, so it really was big man vs small man in those cases (no matter what Brook or Khan weighed, it wasn't put on properly).

On the night it might be Loma having a weight disadvantage (but a small one), while Pac has the age disadvantage (which in my mind is the real determining factor in the fight).

Also consider Loma is still approaching his peak, in a year he will be closer to it. Meantime in a year Pac will be further away from his.

Its an intriguing fight given Pac's unquestionable pedigree and Loma's skills and potential. And I can see a lot of pundits going either way (suspect Loma will get the majority vote on the age aspect alone, but easy to go with's Pac's proven record over Loma's skinny one).

Thank you for that detailed view.

[sammybee]

pac will beat Loma because he cannot be overwhelmed by Loma's speed and southpaw stance.also,he can handle Loma's punches because he had taken heavier blows from higher weight division opponents.

[hectari]

I like this match up.

Lomachenko is like a more refined technical version of Manny without the crude power.

Pac is like the rough draft with the in and out footwork, Lomachenko is the final draft.

If they meet at 138 I think that would be more fair, Lomachenko should just take the fight though, its only a one time deal nd he can go back to 135, he can beat Pacquiao if there is any welterweight he can beat at 140-138 its Manny, Manny doesnt have scary power, he is not going to hurt Loma or knock him down, Pac hasnt knocked anyone out in ages.

But Loma needs to start speaking in Broken English and start cooning like Manny does, thats how Manny was so famous with the Whites in America he was buck dancing for them according to my pro black boxing friends lol

[angkag]

Pacquiao is, we're forgetting that Lomachenko doesn't have that good of a reach and he likes to tap his opponents to draw counters, that's not gonna fly well against Pacquiao. Arum is just talking, I get it but as fans we're suppose to be smarter than that.

He doesn't tap his opponents to draw counters, he uses multiple move combinations that include a lot of feints to read how his opponent reacts; how their weight shifts, how they react defensively, how they set for counters. Its all intel gathering which he programs in, then goes on the offensive once he sees how to disarm their offence and open their defence. He's not a counter-puncher who waits for the opponent to fire before firing back.

Pac uses feints too (an underrated part of his game), and much for the same reason.

Pac has always had speed on his side, and he's still fast, but not AS fast as he was. Gary Russell has faster hands (not no power), and could only connect with 10% of his punches - Pac won't connect as often as he is used to.

Last ko from Pac was 2009. I don't see Pac getting a KO in there (its the punch you don't see coming - can't see Loma not seeing something coming). Its points or a Loma KO.

The one thing Pac WILL do in there is keep changing the look. Walters only had one gear, so by the time Loma had him programmed in, Loma knew what Walters was going to do before Walters did, so Loma could do literally anything he wanted to.

Changing the look sets Loma back to the intel gathering stage temporarily, so he can't go up through the gears so easily. Its pretty much the ONLY way to compete with him, and Pac's got that game (as did prime JMM).

[Bravado]

First off these two will never fight. Loma at this stage could very well hit a physical stride and level up while Pac shrinks in productivity, desire and age. Second, i still think he has enough to more than likely finish him or most people at 140/147......Crawford included. I think this is just Bob trying to build his man up

[jonnyc420]

Well I am sure he would fare much better than you did Jessie. All that talking and got dominated by a guy who is half of what he used to be.