Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach Has No Issue With Ward-Kovalev Outcome

[Citizen Koba]

True, and the most irritating thing to me is that people are so infatuated with bytching that they're ignoring Loma v Walters!!
Such an amazing fight is going down tomorrow and the buzz around here is nothing more than a low hum.
Loma and Walters deserve major attention. That's another rare "best fighting the best in their division" fight.

Yeah, no reason for all the fuss to eclipse what is potentially every bit as good a fight. Time to move on now folks. In fact if anything Lomachenko - Walters promises to be a more viscerally exciting fight, even if it doesn't have quite the same weight of expectation attached.

Who you got Redd?

[hitking]

I think there was definitely a reasonable case for at least one 10 - 10 on Saturday, I don't see the problem with it myself, if the fighters are too close to split it's not fair to penalise one just because it's somehow frowned upon to score it a draw.

The entire fight was basically Kovalev pressing, pumping his jab and throwing power shots. While Ward circled, timing Kovalev with his jab, and working the body in close when he could get there without Sergey tying him up immediately. Kovalev would throw more. They would land a similar number of blows. While Ward often landed clearer, and at a higher connect rate. And it followed that pattern round after round after round. IMO, most of the rounds didn't have a definitive winner. Obviously, neither guy was as effective as the wanted to be. But both were just effective enough in almost every round to make an argument that they won it. And if you had a strong rooting interest in the fight. Each guy did enough in nearly every round that you probably feel they clearly won. Of course, because of the KD, Kovalev's supporters probably feel he won more definitively than the Ward folks. But at the end of the day, whomever you feel won, nothing was settled.

[Citizen Koba]

The entire fight was basically Kovalev pressing, pumping his jab and throwing power shots. While Ward circled, timing Kovalev with his jab, and working the body in close when he could get there without Sergey tying him up immediately. Kovalev would throw more. They would land a similar number of blows. While Ward often landed clearer, and at a higher connect rate. And it followed that pattern round after round after round. IMO, most of the rounds didn't have a definitive winner. Obviously, neither guy was as effective as the wanted to be. But both were just effective enough in almost every round to make an argument that they won it. And if you had a strong rooting interest in the fight. Each guy did enough in nearly every round that you probably feel they clearly won. Of course, because of the KD, Kovalev's supporters probably feel he won more definitively than the Ward folks. But at the end of the day, whomever you feel won, nothing was settled.

Pretty much **** on. The intrigue now is if either can or will do anything different in a re-match. Let's just hope it gets made in a timely fashion, man. This **** wants settling properly.

[koolbreez12]

Complete and utter robbery doe. Worst robbery in the history of the sport doe.

[kafkod]

Because you're scoring rounds. You don't look back and say, "That was a close fight, I need to switch some of these rounds back to the champ."
I keep seeing people say this "beat the champ" sentiment but the last thing we need in boxing is people not scoring rounds fairly because they have a champ bias.

I've gone back and watched, and there's legitimately 8 rounds that could have been scored even. I've b1tched the last 10-15yrs about professional judges reluctance to score rounds even. I think its s byproduct of there only being 12 rounds in championship fights. Maybe there's more sense of urgency to award every round.

I think there was definitely a reasonable case for at least one 10 - 10 on Saturday, I don't see the problem with it myself, if the fighters are too close to split it's not fair to penalise one just because it's somehow frowned upon to score it a draw.

Redd Foxx, I agree that going back and changing round scores is not an option. But the principle you are talking about could be applied on a round by round basis and would solve the dilemma referred to by the other 2 guys I'm quoting here.

Awarding even rounds to the defending champ, by default, has a precedent - sort of - in US boxing. At one time, world titles could not be won on points, only retained. In other words, the challenger had to stop the champ to take his title away.

Awarding even rounds to the champion, by default, would be applying that same principle, but in a less extreme form.

Re what Abel is saying here - I would agree with him, except for the scoring of the 10th round. Kovalev won that round clearly, and if the judges had scored it correctly, he would have also won the fight. But all 3 judges gave the 10th round to Ward. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Shadoww702]

The entire fight was basically Kovalev pressing, pumping his jab and throwing power shots. While Ward circled, timing Kovalev with his jab, and working the body in close when he could get there without Sergey tying him up immediately. Kovalev would throw more. They would land a similar number of blows. While Ward often landed clearer, and at a higher connect rate. And it followed that pattern round after round after round. IMO, most of the rounds didn't have a definitive winner. Obviously, neither guy was as effective as the wanted to be. But both were just effective enough in almost every round to make an argument that they won it. And if you had a strong rooting interest in the fight. Each guy did enough in nearly every round that you probably feel they clearly won. Of course, because of the KD, Kovalev's supporters probably feel he won more definitively than the Ward folks. But at the end of the day, whomever you feel won, nothing was settled.

Exactly! I gave the 1st 6 rounds to Kov. And round 10. Minus the KD for 115-112 Kov.

Ward looked a lil more ****** up afterwards but Kov. Looked very tired. Sht! He almost fell down and also need the ropes to hold him another time late in the fight. Honestly if that fight went another 2-3 rounds Ward would of probably KO'd him.

[Shadoww702]

Orbat LEAST would of went down 1. From fatigue or a Ward punch.

[Shadoww702]

Redd Foxx, I agree that going back and changing round scores is not an option. But the principle you are talking about could be applied on a round by round basis and would solve the dilemma referred to by the other 2 guys I'm quoting here.

Awarding even rounds to the defending champ, by default, has a precedent - sort of - in US boxing. At one time, world titles could not be won on points, only retained. In other words, the challenger had to stop the champ to take his title away.

Awarding even rounds to the champion, by default, would be applying that same principle, but in a less extreme form.

Re what Abel is saying here - I would agree with him, except for the scoring of the 10th round. Kovalev won that round clearly, and if the judges had scored it correctly, he would have also won the fight. But all 3 judges gave the 10th round to Ward. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Haha we both felt Kovalov clearly won round 10.

[Diegosome1]

Suddenly Sanchez is now the voice of reason, but when he says Triple G is still better than both these dudes it's "ARRGGGHH DIRTY SANCHEZ AGAIN"

[Robbie Barrett]

Seems like everyone just accepts that since they feel Kovalev only beat him by a round or 2 that it's just OK that Ward got the decision. This is why you can't even get family to come to Boxing matches when you have free tickets.

Maybe they just don't want to be seen out with the family ******?