Ward isnt certified Hall of famer or BORDERline ATG

[Madison Boxing]

froch fought everybody and was only really "exposed" once, and that was by a great, great boxer who hand't lost a boxing match in 15 years.

dirrell was fast
abraham and bute could definitely punch
kessler was well rounded, had a great chin, and he was steady as a rock
groves was young and strong

froch could deal with these guys in spite of teh fact that he might not look like he could on paper. the guy is slow? you expect punchers and fast boxers to give him trouble, right? he had the chin and the stamina to weather both kinds of storms. he'd make the tactical adjustments in addition to having the physical makeup required. that's not sometign you can do if you're not a very good fighter.


when froch got hurt he'd get back up
when he fought guys who were faster than he was [outside of ward] he knew how to adjust to the speed and stay on course.
when he was behind agaisnt taylor he pulled off a knockout in teh last 15 seconds of the fight.

froch was a fighter whose accomplishments were greater than the sum of his parts. the guy fought everybody, and only lost twice. once to the best SMW of the era, and another time to kessler, a very solid fighter himself.

its just my hunch, people just think im hating but i always said that i think wards ability has been exagerrated because of how poor that super middleweight line up was. I could be wrong, its impossible to prove now, but i just watch froch/kessler/abraham and im not impressed with their skills at all really. Ward seriously struggling with kovalev makes me think that even more now. However, that coulda;; have been irrelevant against kovalev, could have been a number of factors (inactivity, size difference,styles) that made him struggle, but thats what i think, i think kovalev was just simply a lot lot better than the guys at 168 were. Fair enough if any body thinks differently

[Jewish-Reptile]

Outstanding resume - Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Kovalev

Also fighters like Brand and Barrera could go onto have decent careers which would make those wins more impressive.

I had Kovalev shading the decision but I could see the argument for Ward, once he rematches him and if he manages to win, there's no arguments about him being a HOF, infact he probably doesn't even need that win.

If he can beat Kov again, GGG, Stevenson, the arguments going to be there for him being one of the best ever

No need to face GGG that win is a step backwards a win over the child raping pimp elevates him further though.

[Madison Boxing]

Come to Ibrox stadium, Celtic park and you'll learn what a real atmosphere is that was tame af.

yeah the atmosphere at that fight was absolutely pathetic. Was pretty much silent for a lot of it.

[M Bison]

yeah the atmosphere at that fight was absolutely pathetic. Was pretty much silent for a lot of it.

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The whole of Dontae racist nation were out for that fight and they didn't even have any chants, very pitiful lol.

[HandsofIron]

Outstanding resume - Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Kovalev

Also fighters like Brand and Barrera could go onto have decent careers which would make those wins more impressive.

I had Kovalev shading the decision but I could see the argument for Ward, once he rematches him and if he manages to win, there's no arguments about him being a HOF, infact he probably doesn't even need that win.

If he can beat Kov again, GGG, Stevenson, the arguments going to be there for him being one of the best ever

What? Barrera's an amateur, he didn't even know how to fight, cool name but an amateur.

[New England]

its just my hunch, people just think im hating but i always said that i think wards ability has been exagerrated because of how poor that super middleweight line up was. I could be wrong, its impossible to prove now, but i just watch froch/kessler/abraham and im not impressed with their skills at all really. Ward seriously struggling with kovalev makes me think that even more now. However, that coulda;; have been irrelevant against kovalev, could have been a number of factors (inactivity, size difference,styles) that made him struggle, but thats what i think, i think kovalev was just simply a lot lot better than the guys at 168 were. Fair enough if any body thinks differently

froch completely schooled arthur abraham with boxing skills. it's not like he was fast, which is the real physical kryptonite for a style like arthur abraham's. i have no idea why you'd group them together, becuse there's a huge gap in class between the two. the onyl thing they had in common was that they came from europe and had good chins. abraham was an explosive puncher with a limited, on / off style. froch could lead, he could counter, and he made adjustments to deal with his physical disadvantages.

[SafaBoxingFan]

What? Barrera's an amateur, he didn't even know how to fight, cool name but an amateur.

I was just saying if either manage to go onto have good careers, they'll look more impressive too.

Not that they're impressive now.

Regardless, he doesn't need them to, his resume now is outstanding.

[Madison Boxing]

froch completely schooled arthur abraham with boxing skills. it's not like he was fast, which is the real physical kryptonite for a style like arthur abraham's. i have no idea why you'd group them together, becuse there's a huge gap in class between the two. the onyl thing they had in common was that they came from europe and had good chins. abraham was an explosive puncher with a limited, on / off style. froch could lead, he could counter, and he made adjustments to deal with his physical disadvantages.

oh yeah froch is miles better than abraham, i just put him in there cause people say that abraham was a good win for ward and froch. Think hes **** to be honest, a fighter who actually lives up the european stereotype on this site

[SafaBoxingFan]

No need to face GGG that win is a step backwards a win over the child raping pimp elevates him further though.

Regardless if it will be one of his easier fights because of the size difference, a win over GGG still looks impressive on his resume

[Madison Boxing]

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The whole of Dontae racist nation were out for that fight and they didn't even have any chants, very pitiful lol.

yeah, thats why i say i genuinely dont think he has any fans. Compare the reception brook got by the homecrowd at the o2 compared to what ward got in vegas. I know UK fans are probably louder than US fans in general, but when i watch NFL theres plenty of chanting and atmosphere, there was none in that ward fight. Was a bit surreal really, cause it was such a big fight, hyped up so much on this forum, and it ended up having the atmosphere of an undercard fight