Is Andre Ward an Entertaining Fighter?

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  • Someone88
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    #51
    Ward is one of the most entertaining fighters.

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    • Redd Foxx
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      #52
      Originally posted by anthonydavid11
      I was never the biggest fan, although he was very talented. I think the golden boy image crap I didn't really like. I always thought fighters should act like men- not pretty boys, but that's just me.

      And yes, the dude fought everybody out there at the time, except for maybe Kostya Tszyu but I don't blame Oscar. Some fights just don't happen for one reason or another. His record reads like a who's who of those days.
      I ended up liking him because he turned out to have grit that went deeper than the pretty boy image. That's a stigma that sucks to live with. Guys assume you're soft and don't give you respect because you look a certain way. Oscar went to war and earned that respect.
      Then, of course, he lost it years later but I digress...

      Man, I've been running off topic lately. I'll have to look at this thread title again to see what it was even about.

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      • Tony Trick-Pony
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        #53
        Originally posted by Canelo and GGG
        Lucky man ,to watch Jones live getting KOed lol

        Kennedy McKinney was a man ,his fight with Welcome Ncita was Crazy,it was in some school or wtf
        Aw man. I wish I'd seen his fights with Welcome. They were great. I always liked McKinney. Straight, stand up boxer. His fight with Barrera put Barrera on the map in HBO's first boxing after dark card. Saw that when it happened. Was a great night.

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        • M Bison
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          #54
          Originally posted by anthonydavid11
          No, it's not just you. I agree. I guess I can't get into low punch output fighters. They may be effective, but I just don't think it's that fun or entertaining when like 15 punches are thrown a round. I spend the whole waiting for punches. I mean it's boxing. Why do I have to wait on guys to throw? Speaking purely as a fan here of course.
          And that low punch output with a low connect ratio is another reason why Ward should have lost the fight.

          Ward postures up tries to be slick but he isn't that type of fighter at all, his best work came in the last half of the fight a moment of time when Kovalev always begins to slow down it wasn't those mythical body shots that some were hitting off the hip etc we've seen Kovalev get tired before lol...

          Ward is actually worse than Wladimir Klitschko for me because we know Ward has a good bit of talent but he is linear just like Wladimir he can only fight his fight and If he doesn't have his way it's constant running, posturing up moving, doing nothing he literally wouldn't throw a straight hand power punch at Kovalev after being countered in the second the first time he tried it what does that say to you?

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          • Tony Trick-Pony
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            #55
            Originally posted by Redd Foxx
            I ended up liking him because he turned out to have grit that went deeper than the pretty boy image. That's a stigma that sucks to live with. Guys assume you're soft and don't give you respect because you look a certain way. Oscar went to war and earned that respect.
            Then, of course, he lost it years later but I digress...

            Man, I've been running off topic lately. I'll have to look at this thread title again to see what it was even about.
            Haha, it's cool, man. He did have grit for sure. I'm not knocking him. Like you, I was turned off by the initial image. A lot of it was the first Chavez fight. We had the pretty boy vs the grittiest Mexican fighter ever at the time or so I thought and I had to go with Julio even though it was a long shot. I grew up in the 80s but didn't start watching until around '93. So I really saw Julio's downslide instead of his rise. I did see pretty much all of Oscar's career. I didn't like him at all at first and then he kept going. I really didn't like him in the Trinidad fight because I was a huge Trinidad fan. I expected a war and we didn't get that, but when Oscar fought Mosley, my respect went up. He fought very well in those fights. He beat Vargas's a$$ big time which I enjoyed. And of course, Mayorga. His early total destruction of Jesse James Leija was impressive due to how he really ran right over him, even though everyone knew he would win. And he did that with a lot of guys in his day, made former champions look ordinary. He crushed Rafael Ruelas, although I always wondered how Gabriel would have done against him since he seemed to be the more solid Ruelas brother before the Garcia fight. His fight with Quartey was epic as well. Oscar gave us a lot of great moments.

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            • Tony Trick-Pony
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              #56
              Originally posted by Red Cyclone
              And that low punch output with a low connect ratio is another reason why Ward should have lost the fight.

              Ward postures up tries to be slick but he isn't that type of fighter at all, his best work came in the last half of the fight a moment of time when Kovalev always begins to slow down it wasn't those mythical body shots that some were hitting off the hip etc we've seen Kovalev get tired before lol...

              Ward is actually worse than Wladimir Klitschko for me because we know Ward has a good bit of talent but he is linear just like Wladimir he can only fight his fight and If he doesn't have his way it's constant running, posturing up moving, doing nothing he literally wouldn't throw a straight hand power punch at Kovalev after being countered in the second the first time he tried it what does that say to you?



              That's one excellent observation. I think he's like Wlad like you say. Very much a control freak. They even mentioned this on the build up I believe. He wants everything exactly his way. Nothing wrong with that but it's not always good in a boxing ring. You have to be able to bounce back. And in the eyes of many he did, but I wasn't sold. Of course, that debate will rage on from here on out. A more definite statement by either in the rematch will likely put an end to most of the controversy. That's what I look forward to, but, it will be many months before we see it. I've got it way on the back burner with Loma-Walters up front now. Gonna be great Saturday!

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              • Graz
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                #57
                Originally posted by anthonydavid11
                They call you a troll because they don't like what you're saying. It's the easiest way to try and dismiss someone making a valid point. Not that there aren't trolls on here. We all know who they are, but I've never considered you one. You're speaking your mind and your opinion doesn't always work with the little consensus they have going on. For me, F consensus. Tell it how you see it, man.

                And yes, Ward just doesn't bring the show to the ring. When he wins, it's boring. When he loses, like on Saturday night, it's boring. The low energy fighters may win, but they don't entertain.

                I think your photo and video say it all about both Saturday night and Kovalev's fight with Hopkins. Actually after the travesty Saturday, looking back Krusher's lucky they didn't give Hopkins the decision.
                Last edited by Graz; 11-23-2016, 07:01 AM.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Canelo and GGG
                  Pacquiao-Morales was world class and it wwas action fight from a first bell same with MAB-Morales/Hamed

                  there are fighters on world class level who bring action,Ward is very good but he dont bring excitement to the table.

                  what you mean is that you enjoy chess matches? some ppl enjoy them,i dont mind both types of fights
                  I enjoy world class boxing. You're thinking too hard bro. Lol

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                  • Tony Trick-Pony
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Graz
                    I think your photo and video say it all about both Saturday night and Kovalev's fight with Hopkins. Actually after the travesty Saturday, looking back Krusher's lucky they didn't give Hopkins the decision.
                    Oh they didn't have a leg to stand on in that one. Clear domination all the way. But you know. Hopkins was old and expendable. He had no "0" to protect.

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                    • Larry the boss
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by don larryx
                      i enjoy his fights..people like different things
                      lol at Freedom quoting me and changing my posts in his ****** ass thread

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