Expected Ward to win. He definently..

[IronDanHamza]

So why are you holding on to it if it isnt real?

Holding onto what?

I'm responding to you using the ****** made up ideology of "having to leave no doubt to take the belts from the champion."

In trying to explain to you that this isn't actually a real thing.

[Kigali]

Ward got his ass kicked last night

His great adjustment was going to the clinch and getting his ass kicked on the inside

Kovalev was clinching his ass off.

Who did the most bodywork.??

Body shots are scoring blows.

[IronDanHamza]

I think it makes sense, it's just misunderstood. To me, The quote refers to the mentality that you have to have going into the fight as a challenger and it's more motivational. But people twist it to make believe that a judge should gift every close round to the champion.

Perfect example, Erislandy Lara felt he could dance his way to victory over Canelo. He had the wrong mentality that fight and it cost him.

Well yeah that's great if you want to use that or ideology as a motivational tactic.

But to say that the challenger didn't win because you "have to take the belts from the champion" I'e you have to "leave no doubt" and "beat him clearly" is ridiculous and non-sensical. All you have to do is win regardless of how close.

[Ray*]

What does "take the belt" mean?

The challenger has to win the fight. No more, no less. The challenger doesn't have to "leave any doubt" no.

If the challenger wins the fight by 1 point then he's taken the belts because he's beaten the champion.

That's your opinion, mine is different.

[Ray*]

Holding onto what?

I'm responding to you using the ****** made up ideology of "having to leave no doubt to take the belts from the champion."

In trying to explain to you that this isn't actually a real thing.

You find it ****** and I don't, you got a chip on your shoulders like you are some intelligent being. You don't have to explain what's real or not real genius. I stand by that 100 years old made up quote...

[IronDanHamza]

That's your opinion, mine is different.

Your opinion is wrong.

It's literally the eqiuvilent to saying "I scored it for the man coming forward because judges tend to score it for the aggressor"

It's literally meaningless.

[Smash]

Not suprised at all, this was a robbery, Ward is a protected fighter, that was obvious with him getting all his super six fights at home and a lot of the refs too. Kovalev clearly won that fight but he should have know this would happen in america, especially vegas, to him, nobody i know thought he could take a decision

[IronDanHamza]

You find it ****** and I don't, you got a chip on your shoulders like you are some intelligent being. You don't have to explain what's real or not real genius. I stand by that 100 years old made up quote...

No, it is ******. That's just looking at it from a logical perspective.

In regards to actual scoring and criteria of scoring, it isn't included nor is it included in any kind of rule.

[Ray*]

Well yeah that's great if you want to use that or ideology as a motivational tactic.

But to say that the challenger didn't win because you "have to take the belts from the champion" I'e you have to "leave no doubt" and "beat him clearly" is ridiculous and non-sensical. All you have to do is win regardless of how close.

Again no one said the challenger didn't win it because he didn't take the belt from a champion, a challenger like last night didn't do enough to beat that champion period! Hence the "A challenger has to go out there and get the belt", boxing is full of quotes like these, whether they are motivational or real or fake.

[Ray*]

Your opinion is wrong.

It's literally the eqiuvilent to saying "I scored it for the man coming forward because judges tend to score it for the aggressor"

It's literally meaningless.

No your opinion is wrong. I don't believe Ward won period. I don't think he did enough to take the belt from the champ.