Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz 2

[Jewish-Reptile]

That's true. Santa Cruz mentioned Frampton's very good punching power in an interview recently. I think a lot of people forget that he can ****. He did hurt Santa Cruz and also broke Quigg's jaw in the previous fight.

I don't expect a different performance from Cruz, honestly if he ups his punch output he's going to be countered more than he was last time which will almost certainly result in him being dropped, potentially stopped.

I forgot he broke Quigg's jaw, I watched that fight another where he could have won even wider on the cards. I think Frampton conserves a lot, maybe a lack of belief in his own conditioning which this time he will know he has more than what is required to out work Cruz, in this fight you have an even more confident Frampton coming in. I suppose his only concern should be the judging with the crowd largely expected to be pro Mexican, have the judges been named yet ? I hope Adelaide Byrd aint officiating she's notorious for being swung by fans when scoring her track record has been the subject of discussion before.

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Everybody should make weight no problem.

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A video posted by Leo Santa Cruz (@elfamosoterremoto) on Jan 21, 2017 at 12:39pm PST

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[Mexican_Puppet]

History has shown time, and time again that the boxer/counterpuncher almost always does better in the rematch, than the guy who is more of the come-forward with slightly worse technique... Marquez/Diaz; Marquez/Pacquiao; mayweather/maidana; soto harass/jones... it goes on..

Santa Cruz is not a normal come foward fighter, he has skills and the first fight was incredibly competitive.

[Cheek busting]

Santa Cruz is not a normal come foward fighter, he has skills and the first fight was incredibly competitive.

You are absolutely correct. He showed in the Mares fight, he can fight off the back foot behind a nice jab.

The most success he had against Frampton, came in Cruz finished his combinations up with a jab, always catching Frampton. One round he threw a 1-2-1, and the last jab was so punishing.

But I feel if he tries to box off the back foot too much, he'll lose his greatest asset, which is his stamina, and incredible work rate. While Frampton was able to stymy this SOMEWHAT, Cruz STILL threw around 1000 punches.

He'll need to transition, and switch it up from working his way inside behind the jab to then boxing "inside out," if you will, changing distances often. The key is to start and finish everything with that long, punishing jab.


First fight was extremely competitive, but it was also clear that Frampton won, IMO. He landed the cleaner punches, and looked to actually be the physically stronger fighter for most of the fight. Although it was clear Cruz had the superior gas tank, as Frampton took is foot off the gas, and coasted, in which Cruz took advantage of.


Cruz is going to get hit when he opens up, and when he finds himself in that mid-range, going between the inside, and the outside where he succeeds.


There's so many dynamics at play in this fight, and you're so right - Cruz is NOT just a face-first mindless come-forward brawler. He's more of an "inside technician," who can use his length to box on the outside as well.

I can't wait till this Saturday, and no matter who wins, it'll be a great fight.

I just think Frampton will improve on his timing even more from the first fight, now knowing Cruz's rhythm, and range... He'll also tie Cruz up a lot more, where in the first fight, he let Cruz tee off a lot necessarily while he was taking rounds off. I wouldn't be surprised if Cruz leans into a wicked up and under counter straight and gets stopped. Also wouldn't be surprised if Cruz dug deep, and pinned Frampton on the ropes, and forced a stoppage.

[Cheek busting]

Heh sorry I typed a lot - I just got so much to say about this fight, and so many thoughts.

It's just so rare we get a fight between two world class, pound for pound boxers (Cruz is fringe top-10) in the prime of their careers. Also with a style that meshes perfectly.

[jas]

How much did you put on Pac to beat Floyd ? Humour me, please.

zero

i thought pac would win but get robbed

my bets lifetime have been:

prov ko and win vs alvarado
lara decision vs canelo
kovalev decision vs ward
chisora decision vs whyte
jojo diaz decision vs garcia
davis over pedraza

and now

leo frampton to go distance
leo by decision

im slightly down overall because of the kovalev fight in particular, got 6 to 1 odds for him to win by decision so would have profited 1200 if he won

[mlac]

zero

i thought pac would win but get robbed

my bets lifetime have been:

prov ko and win vs alvarado
lara decision vs canelo
kovalev decision vs ward
chisora decision vs whyte
jojo diaz decision vs garcia
davis over pedraza

and now

leo frampton to go distance
leo by decision

im slightly down overall because of the kovalev fight in particular, got 6 to 1 odds for him to win by decision so would have profited 1200 if he won

gonna bet on frampton and frampton KO @5/1
how much you putting down(losing) ?