Pacquiao's Prime

[Thraxox]

Pacquiao was shop worn against Mayweather in 2015, gives his best performance against Bradley in 2016, better than 2012 and 2014.

That's the kind of logic some people have.

Were pointing the double standards, if Barrera and Morales was shot at 29 years old because of wars, and it only gives little credit to PAcquiao for fighting shot ATG Mexican then we have to consider Pacquiao shot and passed his prime by the time he fought Miguel Cotto because of the same reasons but this time PAcquiao has more wars than they have.

Or should we consider that Pacquiao is just more skilled than Morales and Barrera for fighting prime fighters despite only being 70% the fighter that he once was.

[Elroy The Great]

some guys can take a beating over many years like cobb 40 (amazing he fought more than 10 yrs). some are done early like rios 30 (yeah, he might come back but hes done) and he didnt catch half the beatings cobb did.

each human ages/peaks differently. silly thread.

[Thraxox]

some guys can take a beating over many years like cobb 40 (amazing he fought more than 10 yrs). some are done early like rios 30 (yeah, he might come back but hes done) and he didnt catch half the beatings cobb did.

each human ages/peaks differently. silly thread.

So it is easy to Discredit for Pacquiao beating 29 year old Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera, but it should be given full credit for fighting a shopworn passed his prime KO'ed PAcquiao because their body ages differently? Alright that is nice to hear.

[Dip_Slide]

Were pointing the double standards, if Barrera and Morales was shot at 29 years old because of wars, and it only gives little credit to PAcquiao for fighting shot ATG Mexican then we have to consider Pacquiao shot and passed his prime by the time he fought Miguel Cotto because of the same reasons but this time PAcquiao has more wars than they have.

Or should we consider that Pacquiao is just more skilled than Morales and Barrera for fighting prime fighters despite only being 70% the fighter that he once was.

And that's my comment on that:

All were legit wins for Pacquiao except the second Morales fight imo, Morales coming off a loss and down in weight put him at a clear disadvantage. People also won't forget that the first Morales fight is probably the only fight around that time where Pacquiao took a blood test close to fight night and he lost.

All legit wins except Morales II, my favorite is the first Barrera fight, Barrera was on a long winning streak and was favored to clearly beat Pacquiao and Pacquiao just walked through him, that was an ATG win right there.

Pacquiao was past prime when he beat Cotto, but so was Cotto himself, being past prime doesn't mean you can't be the best in the world though, but Cotto was coming off a devastating loss to Margarito where he took and extended beating and it showed in his struggle with Clottey later, Cotto needed more time and more fights before he fought Pacquiao imo but I give Pacquiao a ton of credit for the fight still because he was the one moving up.

Remember that was the fight that compelled the Mayweather camp to ask for random blood and urine testing, also remember that that request was turned down by the Pacquiao camp.

One last thing to remember, people started that Pacquiao is past prime talk after he started getting tested more in 2011 2012, even before the Marquez KO.

[Larry the boss]

Pacquiao was shop worn against Mayweather in 2015, gives his best performance against Bradley in 2016, better than 2012 and 2014.

That's the kind of logic some people have.

anything to discredit Mayweather

[Elroy The Great]

So it is easy to Discredit for Pacquiao beating 29 year old Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera, but it should be given full credit for fighting a shopworn passed his prime KO'ed PAcquiao because their body ages differently? Alright that is nice to hear.

im not being specific. people age/peak differently. as for athletes, sometimes a guy has a bad fight/streak/game/season. USUALLY, guys who absorb punishment to the head will ''age'' faster/differently than a slick boxer. the slugger may still be ''active'' but this days of being relevant are gone (see margarito, ruslan and rios).

then you have to consider styles. if rios comes back and beats up a no hoper, his fans will swear hes back and rios himself will say hes ''better than ever'' (cue eye roll). that is until he fights a competent guy and rios ages rapidly again.

tyson steamrolled an old a55 holmes yet holmes went on to fight 24 more times (21-3). the best example is foreman 2.0. had many solid fights in his 2nd career. hops, duran, 3g, wlad (until recently).....all are or had fought at high levels after 35.

im not discrediting anything but the concept.

[BM dnobagaV]

That's the bottom line, even though they were both 60-70% of what they once were, they were still the best 2 fighters in the world P4P.

Well both are Top 20 ATG's.
Give it two years when both are over 40 and they can still outclass every other WW and reclaim P4P #1.

I mean, Pacquiao could beat Crawford or Thurman next year and I'd put him back at #1. I don't see either fighter getting outclassed or KOed unless they fight each other or someone like Andrade/GGG.

Some ATG's age quicker. Others older. Hopkins is an example

[Zaroku]

Pacquiao by the time he fought Hatton he was already 30 going in 31 yet he is still considered in his prime despite that.

While Barrera and Morales were already past it by the time their 30 or 31

Barrera had 50_ fights in had wars against Junior Jones, 2x in Morales by the time he got knocked out by Pacquiao and he was sitll 29 years old yet people claim he was already shot at that point.

Morales had 50 fights going in in Pacquiao fight and had ward with barrera 3x, and won, then defeated two more times by the same opponent yet people claim once again that he was "SHOT"

And then Pacquiao, 53 fights going in had 2 wars against Marquez, 2 wars against Morales, 1 war against Barrera, KTFO early on, was a starving kid in his first loss and had a war against Agapito Sanches on 02 yet he was still considered "A Prime Fighter" at 09 when he was 30 years old going in 31

With those logic we have to consider Pacquiao a shot fighter by the time he fought Miguel Cotto.

Is calling Morales and Barrera a shot fighter at 29 a fact or would it just be discrediting Pacquiao's resume and achievements in beating them?

PAC gives the best head in the phillipines. Then he became a bible thumper.

[IronDanHamza]

marquez damm near killed manny when floyd fought him lol. i dont ever recall morales or barrera taking those type of punishment yet they were pass prime when pac fought and beat them.

and you know damm well what im getting at about the whole floyd waited until pac got old thing. posters are not talking about who's older but more so about who was more shop worn when they fought eachother, your boy above just confirm that everyone's body age differently. but when this gets brought up, floyd fans always say how can that be true when floyd is older than manny lol.

According to a poll on this forum, when asked who was more passed it out of Mayweather and Pacquaio before their fight, Mayweather won by a landslide.

I guess it means little as it's an NSB poll but just throwing that out there.

[Zaroku]

Pacquiao by the time he fought Hatton he was already 30 going in 31 yet he is still considered in his prime despite that.

While Barrera and Morales were already past it by the time their 30 or 31

Barrera had 50_ fights in had wars against Junior Jones, 2x in Morales by the time he got knocked out by Pacquiao and he was sitll 29 years old yet people claim he was already shot at that point.

Morales had 50 fights going in in Pacquiao fight and had ward with barrera 3x, and won, then defeated two more times by the same opponent yet people claim once again that he was "SHOT"

And then Pacquiao, 53 fights going in had 2 wars against Marquez, 2 wars against Morales, 1 war against Barrera, KTFO early on, was a starving kid in his first loss and had a war against Agapito Sanches on 02 yet he was still considered "A Prime Fighter" at 09 when he was 30 years old going in 31

With those logic we have to consider Pacquiao a shot fighter by the time he fought Miguel Cotto.

Is calling Morales and Barrera a shot fighter at 29 a fact or would it just be discrediting Pacquiao's resume and achievements in beating them?

PacRoid was great. For a hot minute. JMM destroyed the Myth of the Manny.

He has a less the 60% KO ratio, it goes over 60 % when you factor the times PAC was KTFO!

I'm old and forgetful, how many times was Floyd or JMM dropped and stopped.

Emphasis on stopped! Comatose